Episode Eight: Zoos

Top of the show 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about glass houses and sinking ships. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Zoos, or as I call them, the geo-prison industrial complex. We will also be arguing about golf, and if our athletes should be nicer to one another. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on zoo’s and if you think they should allow more guns on the premises (currently allow 0 per person). 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  The top three animals that zoos want are tigers, lions, and lemurs. They do this not for any conservation efforts, but because of the entertainment factor. Do you think zoos should be able to capture any animal, like the playful baby sea-otter as long as it amuses us? 
  • The biggest problems facing zoos given their pro conservation stance is the unsustainability of many animal programs. Many of the animals produce more offspring than zoos have space for. They deal with this issue with Surplus management strategies that mainly involve sterilization and euthanasia. Don’t we owe our prisoners like the late great gorilla Harambe a little more than a short life in a small hole? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is golf a sport
  •  There’s some evidence to suggest that captive animals struggle with their mental health. depression in leopards, OCD in brown bears, and a condition called “zoochosis” that makes them do some pretty crazy stuff.  You think zoos should be required to provide psychologists and mental health professionals to their prisoners like the wildly impractical but loveable giraffe? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should fighting be allowed in hockey
  •  A lot of heartless people argue that zoo research obtained from the animal slaves we took, is essential to understanding our ecosystem. Is that really a good justification for mercilessly tearing families apart? 
  • Do you think zoos should make more of an effort to reunite families like the adorable bottle-nose dolphin after ripping them apart and scarring them for life? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 
  • In 2014 the us court of appeals (which included justice Kavanaugh at the time) OSHA vs. SEAWORLD ruled that SeaWorld was guilty not protecting their employees. SeaWorld has over 100 incidents of orca aggression towards trainers including three deaths. At what point do you kind of have it coming when you go into that kind of work? 

Argument for: 

  • . Every year, AZA-accredited zoos and aquariums spend $220 million on field conservation alone, supporting more than 2,600 projects in 130 countries. To date, the AZA Conservation Grants Fund has provided $7.7 million in support for 400+ projects worldwide. 
  •  Last year alone, 146,136 students embarked on learning experiences at Zoos Victoria, seeking greater connections with wildlife and the skills needed to equip our children with as they inherit stewardship of a stressed planet. 
  •  for many species (but no, not all) it is perfectly possible to keep them in a zoo or wildlife park and for them to have a quality of life as high or higher than in the wild. They also have no fear of predators 
  •  Smithsonian’s National Zoo in Washington is leading global research efforts on the detection and treatment of the sometimes-fatal elephant herpes virus, with the ultimate goal of developing an effective vaccine to be administered to the species in both zoo and wild populations 
  •  Isn’t it better to be alive and alone then dead together? 
  •  Ya they totally had it coming 

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Argument Against 

  • A study published in the journal PLOS ONE (which is dedicated to original research from all disciplines within science) found that only 18 percent of land animals in zoo collections are threatened or endangered 
  •   Less than 10 percent of the 2,800 wildlife exhibitors licensed by the United States Department of Agriculture under the Animal Welfare Act meet the more comprehensive standards of AZA accreditation. 
  •  Surplus management strategies are one of the best-kept secrets of modern zoos. In 2014, the world reacted with shock and outrage when a healthy 2-year-old giraffe named Marius was killed and cut up in front of spectators at Copenhagen Zoo. His body was then fed to the lions. (hey click here!) That site details some tips to avoid animal suffering. One of which is DO NOT EAT ENDANGERED ANIMALS! 
  •  normal behaviors are regulated and eliminated with regimes of food and artificial pairing. The daily routine in zoos is repetitive and monotonous. In most cases there is no type of privacy or stimulation and, as such, just as we would, animals suffer emotionally. 
  •  Texas has the world’s second-largest tiger population, due to private citizens’ propensity for keeping these big cats as pets. It is still legal in 29 states to buy a tiger. In Alabama they don’t even require a permit to keep an exotic animal. Although they have restrictions on the animals that are prohibited from being sold possessed or imported, like the mongoose coyote and wild turkey, there is no regulation on non-human primates, big cats, wolves or any other large predator. 
  •  Ya they definitely had it coming. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “orcas aren’t smart”. Seaworld ladies and gentlemen. That’s of course according to SeaWorld’s evidence. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think a hotdog is a sandwich, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

 
Fun facts: 

Sloths only descend from the trees once a week to use the bathroom.  

Koala fingerprints are almost indistinguishable from humans and have been mistaken at crime scenes before.  

Elephants are the only animal that cannot jump.  

Nearly three percent of the ice in Antarctic glaciers is penguin urine. 

Giraffes have no vocal chords 

Kangaroos can’t fart 

BABY ELEPHANTS SUCK THEIR TRUNKS FOR COMFORT. 

A GRIZZLY BEAR’S BITE IS STRONG ENOUGH TO CRUSH A BOWLING BALL 

SEA OTTERS HOLD HANDS WHILE THEY’RE SLEEPING SO THEY DON’T DRIFT APART. 

ANIMAL BEHAVIORISTS HAVE CONCLUDED THAT CATS DON’T MEOW AS A WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. IT’S A METHOD THEY USE FOR GETTING ATTENTION FROM HUMANS. 

IN THE UK, THE BRITISH MONARCH LEGALLY OWNS ALL UNMARKED SWANS IN OPEN WATER. 

ALL CLOWNFISH ARE BORN MALE—SOME TURN FEMALE TO ENABLE MATING. 

MALE RING-TAILED LEMURS WILL “STINK FIGHT” BY WAFTING SCENT AT EACH OTHER. 

IN 1924, A LABRADOR RETRIEVER WAS SENTENCED TO LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE AT EASTERN STATE PENITENTIARY FOR KILLING THE GOVERNOR’S CAT. 

HONEYBEES CAN GET SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES

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