Episode Fifteen: Marijuana.

Top of the show 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about harsh vibes and crunchy tunes, man. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the only thing hippies ever talk about, marijuana! We will also be arguing about Prenuptial Agreements, and pregnancy. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by both of you taking a big ole rip off this bong and telling me the worst thing about marijuana

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Today let’s start with the economy. I love anything that helps our economy grow and more specifically any that helps my bottom line. The economic impacts of marijuana seem like the least debated topic when it comes to this subject. So, what do you guys think, is there any economic downside to legalizing the devil’s lettuce
  •  My biggest problem with marijuana is big marijuana. I don’t mean plants that are ten feet tall and have baseball sized dank nugs hanging off of them. I mean the corporate assholes that are running this shit. We’re all familiar with big tobacco and how those dickheads lied to all of us for years about how harmful their product is. It’s a pretty simple question I have about it, why would that sweet baby bang be any different once corporate interests are involved? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Should couples get a prenup before moving in together
  •  Let’s get back to it with addiction. Now my entire life Its been drilled into my head that marijuana is not addictive. It’s probably the number one talking point for any marijuana advocate. The National institute for drug abuse tells us a different story. They say according to a 2015 study, about 4.0 million people in the United States met the diagnostic criteria for a marijuana use disorder; 138,000 voluntarily sought treatment for their marijuana use. So how full of shit are these dope smoking hippies that are trying to push their stinkweed bricks on the American population? 
  • Not only have people been telling me that marijuana is not addictive. I’ve also been told by propagators of marijuana legalization that the stuff will cure my cancer. Yet again I am told a different story by medical professionals. The National institutes of health says that although cannabis and its derivatives may help to alleviate disease and therapy-related symptoms, there is no clinical evidence of its anti-cancer efficacy. What the hell bro? My next question is with all this lying and misleading, why should I trust anything these guys say? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – When are you allowed to touch a pregnant belly
  •  One of the good things about marijuana legalization is that intuitively I would think that there would be a reduced crime rate, as a good portion of our prison system is comprised of low-level drug offenders, like potheads. Turns out that shit is wrong too. It’s said that of the 14 million pounds of marijuana grown in California ezach year, only 20 percent is sold in California, While the rest is spread around that country illegally. My question, do you guys think that’s a fair categorization, or do you see it going down once it is federally legal and has full support of the union?   
  •  Hey guys you know what we all have in common? We all have dangerous jobs. All of us work in places we could die in on a daily basis. According to a 2016 study on postal workers. Employees who screened positive for marijuana use had 55% more industrial accidents, 85% more injuries, and absenteeism rates 75% higher than those who tested negative. My question is how can we justify all these senseless deaths? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • In a 2015 study for the FBI yearly statistics 83% of drug arrests were for simple possession. About 43% we for marijuana possession. That’s around 643,000 inmate’s worth of taxes we would save annually. Add that to the tax revenue from sales and the jobs created as a result, and you’re looking at more money than you can shake a hog at. 
  •  More corporate money involved in marijuana means that the growers will finally have the resources to make the product the way it was intended to. That means that doctors can research its medical benefits more thoroughly. It’s a win win win. 
  • What is that a 2% addiction rate? How can that be a justification for criminalization? That’s negligible at best. Tobacco boasts a 7% cancer causing rate at minimum! And now those people have to smoke the weed anyway to deal with the chemo!  
  •  It totally cures cancer bro. Just ask my friend Astrid. She totally had cancer, and just smoked a bunch of weed, and rubbed crystals on herself. She’s never looked better. Wait I think she died last week actually. 
  • Dude, They’re doctors. I think they know a little more than you. Just ask the doctors that studied it in the 80’s and found that it was incredibly harmful to your mind and body. 
  •  Better weed than meth. Meth is totally, like, way worse, bruh. 
  • I think employers just need to like, chill out man. We’re all human, mistakes are going to be made. You can’t make an omelet without cracking a few eggs. 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

  •  Rhianna 
  •  Miley Cyrus 
  •  Snoop Dogg 
  •  Hugh Hefner 
  • Morgan Freeman 

Key Movies:  

  •  Culture High 
  •  Super High me 
  •  The Union: the business of getting high 
  • Weed the People 

Argument Against 

  • In a 2004-2011 study on the effects of legalization of marijuana, the national bureau of economic research found that drug abuse and dependence went from 15% to 27%. That’s almost a 50% increase. The added train on our mental health system will cancel out any savings that might incur from decreased drug offenders. 
  • Of course, it won’t be any different. Get ready for the next Joe camel cartoons, pushing marijuana on our children. Legalization means increased use and that means corporate interests will find a way to market this in a shifty, underhanded way that ruins the world for profit. 
  • Marijuana is extremely addictive. If it wasn’t, how would we even classify it as a drug? Now you want me to vote for letting these patchouli smelling, red eyed, monsters have free reign to smoke doobies wherever they desire?! No sir, no thank you. 
  • No. Weed curing cancer is either big marijuana propaganda, or hippie propaganda. I’m not sure which is worse.  
  • They’re doctors. I think they know a little more than you. Just ask the doctors that studied it in the 80’s and found that it was incredibly harmful to your mind and body.  
  • totally fair categorization, host. And might I add that you are an extremely good looking gentleman. A lot so called “weed churches” have popped up recently using the drug as sacrament for their religion. But what it really is, is an excuse to sell the drug under table and pocket the cash under the guise of religious freedom 
  • Something has to be done to end this senseless death and destruction that this evil drug has caused! 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  • Patrick Kennedy  
  •  Alex Berenson 
  •  Luke Niforatos 
  •  Marco Rubio 

Key groups: 

  •  The American Society for addictive medicine 
  •  Th American Anti-drug Council 
  •  Purdue Pharma 
  • Narconon 

Key Movies: 

  •  American drug cartel 2: Cannabis Destiny 
  •  Grass is Greener 
  •  Reefer Madness 
  •  The Terrible Truth 
  • Marijuana Alert! 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “Federal and state laws (should) be changed to no longer make it a crime to possess marijuana for private use.” Richard Nixon, ladies and gentleman. If you are for Marijuana being legalized then I suggest you get in touch with the NORML organization in your area to see how you can help out. If you want to see marijuana outlawed entirely, then keep lobbying for Donald Trump to be impeached, because Mike Pence has your back on that.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid. Arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think I make bad palette cleansers, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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