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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about fuckwads. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the thing that keeps our world turning, manners! We will also be arguing about clowns, and relevant legislation. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I’ll get into the questions in a minute but first a quick word from our sponsor today. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Let’s start with a simple one. Now I’m not a big advocate of capital punishment, but when it comes to certain people, I think a firing squad wouldn’t be the worst idea in the world. My first question is should we give people that don’t say thank you, the death penalty? 
  •  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Old people suck. Do you know who else sucks? Young people. Young people will bitch about really anything, and the youth is looking more and more like a bunch of dead eyed mouth breathers every day. My question is about technology. Do you guys think that the massive technological advancements we’ve seen recently, have contributed to these bad-mannered shitheads? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is a fear of clown’s irrational? 
  • There’s nothing I hate more than some mannerless little kid in the grocery store screaming, throwing themselves on the ground, and threatening to stab cashiers with a fondue fork. So, should you be able to discipline other people’s kids if they’re being shitheads in public? 
  • This episode is kind of lacking my usual fun facts. Let me share one with you guys about manners. 71% of hiring managers said they valued their employees’ emotional intelligence over their IQ. According to Brighton. With that statistic in mind do success and good manners go hand in hand? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – you get to make one law, what is it? 
  • Driving to the studio today I saw a smidge of grass. The reason I only saw a little bit of grass is that where the grass was supposed to be, there was a bunch of Styrofoam bullshit being thrown out of car windows all along the road. I think this one will be a Valid argument. Chemical castration for people that litter? We only get one earth. 
  • I am not a big fan of our school system. I think they teach us a lot of less than important things that prepare us for little more than more time in school, while life skills are slashed or cut out all together from the curriculum. Next question is should manners be taught in school? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 

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Key people: 

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Argument Against 

  • Slap people in the face 
  • spit off of overpasses onto pedestrians 
  • don’t flush the toilet after taking a huge shit 
  • Don’t Tip  
  • Don’t hold doors, slam them in people’s faces  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. T stands for being nice. T stands for manners. T stands for being polite, Mr. T ladies and gentleman. If you are for good manners then I suggest you get in touch with an etiquette school in your area and see how you can help out. If you want manners outlawed entirely, then just keep being a jackass.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as that guy at the party with an acoustic guitar, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that’s slowly indoctrinating you into our future cult. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about conspiracy theories, man. Make sure to drink every time we say the government (unless you’re driving). We will also be arguing about school, and modern-day relationships. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get to the questions in a second but first a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  I want to start with MK-Ultra. If you don’t know that was the government’s attempt at mind control. They attempted this by feeding people copious amounts of LSD. This is a verifiable fact, so the question is, if that’s the part they’re telling us, do you think they went further with the program and still managed to keep it under wraps? milo 
  •  Hey guys, what do you think about concentration camps? Don’t like em? Well guess what, that’s exactly where the government wants you. In February of 1942 the government put around 100,000 AMERICANS in concentration camps. What’s to stop them from putting you in one too? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment Is P.E. a real class
  •  The shooters were never found. Suge Knight was never hit. Pac always wore a bulletproof vest. The man who cremated Tupac retired immediately afterward. Where is Tupac? And for that matter, where’s biggie? I ask because they’re definitely not dead. -Jeremy 
  •  Ya’ll got gardens? You should get one. The reason you should get one is that the government is poisoning your food. They we’re even caught poisoning our food and we didn’t get so much as a “my bad” from them. In the 20’s during prohibition they killed an estimated 10,000 people by poisoning alcohol “as a deterrent” to discourage people from drinking. Someone should go to jail for killing that many people, right?  Joel 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – can you come back from the friendzone
  •  I’ve got one word for you guys. Gay Bombs. That’s right gay bombs. This is one that I personally had a really hard time with. After loads of research and sweaty nights spent trying to wrap my  head, around this subject. I am sad to report, it’s true. The government, in all seriousness, tried to make a bomb that discharges female sex pheromones so they could disperse it over enemy forces in order to make them sexually attracted to each other. Rendering them useless in a fight. My question is, can gay people fight very well? Joel 
  •  So, in the past we’ve made jokes about anti vaccine people. A lot. Like a whole lot. I personally didn’t think I’d ever find myself giving credence to their ideas. Thanks a bunch, Government! You did it again! An estimated 10-30 million people were exposed to a virus called SV40 after receiving polio vaccines in the 1950s and 1960s. This SV40 is a reportedly cancer causing chemical. But that was the 50’s. They’ve probably cleaned up their act since then, right? Milo 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 
  • The reason we will probably never see the light of day after this episode comes out is NOT because the government is going to have us killed. They don’t need to do that anymore. They control the media and everyone in it. My last question is about the, should be infamous, but less known, project mockingbird. Project mockingbird was uncovered by the church committee after the Watergate scandal and may still be affecting us today. They paid journalists to spread CIA propaganda and to this day issue gag orders under the guise of “national security”. So, how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • . Of course, they did! The official government record of these events details how test subjects were emotionally crippled for life. If that’s what they are telling us, What are they not telling us? 
  •  Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The government will always do whatever they want under the guise of national security. Does our nation need to be secure? Does the entire world hate us? Are you even real man!? 
  •  Tupac’s aunt is political activist and former Black Liberation Army member Assata Shakur, who was granted political asylum in Cuba in 1984, after fleeing prison in the States. Tupac has joined her and is living a healthy life.  
  •  Not only have they caused cancer with these so called “vaccines” they put autism in them! Autism! How are we ok with this level of accountability? 
  •  The media is going to destroy us. They will never let us see the light of day. 

Sources: 

  • https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/search/site/mk%20ultra 

Key groups: 

  • Stuff they don’t want you to know.  
  •  All time Conspiracies 
  •  Disclose truth TV 

Key people: 

  • Alex Jones  
  • William tappley  
  •  Paul Joseph Watson 
  •  The Vigilant Christian 
  • Mark Dice 

Key Movies:  

  • https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433674/ 

Argument Against 

  •   How would they have gone further? There was an enormous public outcry about this. It’s not like they can just change the name and move it somewhere that no one’s ever heard of the experiment. The Government’s not that smart. 
  •  Those concentration camps were temporary and during wartime. The united states government would never detain people without good reason.  That would be un-American. 
  •  That’s ludicrous. Tupac was shot dead. Case closed. Nothing to see here folks. 
  •  Some vaccines are unsafe but what’s the alternative? Natural selection? How are we to live in a society of humans and expect perfection? 
  •  That’s a lot of hype and bullshit. The media is competent enough to get their story straight half the time. How am I supposed to think they could orchestrate a coup against the American people? 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Truthloader 
  •  Blacklisted news 
  •  Adam VS the man 
  •  Lyn Leahs 

Key groups: 

  •  Qanon 
  •  Anti Defamation League 
  •  Most People 

Key Movies: 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Our winner tonight said this after fighting for your rights. “You have to consume Fig Newtons with either milk or an alternative milk product. It’s like a conspiracy with the dairy industry. They’re in cahoots.”. The King Ad-Rock, ladies and gentleman. If you are for conspiracy theories continuing on then I suggest you get in touch with the infowars to see how you can help out. If you want to conspiracy theories become more rational, then I suggest you get in touch with snopes and see if they’re hiring.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it.  

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think we can win the war on drugs, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about harsh vibes and crunchy tunes, man. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the only thing hippies ever talk about, marijuana! We will also be arguing about Prenuptial Agreements, and pregnancy. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by both of you taking a big ole rip off this bong and telling me the worst thing about marijuana

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Today let’s start with the economy. I love anything that helps our economy grow and more specifically any that helps my bottom line. The economic impacts of marijuana seem like the least debated topic when it comes to this subject. So, what do you guys think, is there any economic downside to legalizing the devil’s lettuce
  •  My biggest problem with marijuana is big marijuana. I don’t mean plants that are ten feet tall and have baseball sized dank nugs hanging off of them. I mean the corporate assholes that are running this shit. We’re all familiar with big tobacco and how those dickheads lied to all of us for years about how harmful their product is. It’s a pretty simple question I have about it, why would that sweet baby bang be any different once corporate interests are involved? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Should couples get a prenup before moving in together
  •  Let’s get back to it with addiction. Now my entire life Its been drilled into my head that marijuana is not addictive. It’s probably the number one talking point for any marijuana advocate. The National institute for drug abuse tells us a different story. They say according to a 2015 study, about 4.0 million people in the United States met the diagnostic criteria for a marijuana use disorder; 138,000 voluntarily sought treatment for their marijuana use. So how full of shit are these dope smoking hippies that are trying to push their stinkweed bricks on the American population? 
  • Not only have people been telling me that marijuana is not addictive. I’ve also been told by propagators of marijuana legalization that the stuff will cure my cancer. Yet again I am told a different story by medical professionals. The National institutes of health says that although cannabis and its derivatives may help to alleviate disease and therapy-related symptoms, there is no clinical evidence of its anti-cancer efficacy. What the hell bro? My next question is with all this lying and misleading, why should I trust anything these guys say? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – When are you allowed to touch a pregnant belly
  •  One of the good things about marijuana legalization is that intuitively I would think that there would be a reduced crime rate, as a good portion of our prison system is comprised of low-level drug offenders, like potheads. Turns out that shit is wrong too. It’s said that of the 14 million pounds of marijuana grown in California ezach year, only 20 percent is sold in California, While the rest is spread around that country illegally. My question, do you guys think that’s a fair categorization, or do you see it going down once it is federally legal and has full support of the union?   
  •  Hey guys you know what we all have in common? We all have dangerous jobs. All of us work in places we could die in on a daily basis. According to a 2016 study on postal workers. Employees who screened positive for marijuana use had 55% more industrial accidents, 85% more injuries, and absenteeism rates 75% higher than those who tested negative. My question is how can we justify all these senseless deaths? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • In a 2015 study for the FBI yearly statistics 83% of drug arrests were for simple possession. About 43% we for marijuana possession. That’s around 643,000 inmate’s worth of taxes we would save annually. Add that to the tax revenue from sales and the jobs created as a result, and you’re looking at more money than you can shake a hog at. 
  •  More corporate money involved in marijuana means that the growers will finally have the resources to make the product the way it was intended to. That means that doctors can research its medical benefits more thoroughly. It’s a win win win. 
  • What is that a 2% addiction rate? How can that be a justification for criminalization? That’s negligible at best. Tobacco boasts a 7% cancer causing rate at minimum! And now those people have to smoke the weed anyway to deal with the chemo!  
  •  It totally cures cancer bro. Just ask my friend Astrid. She totally had cancer, and just smoked a bunch of weed, and rubbed crystals on herself. She’s never looked better. Wait I think she died last week actually. 
  • Dude, They’re doctors. I think they know a little more than you. Just ask the doctors that studied it in the 80’s and found that it was incredibly harmful to your mind and body. 
  •  Better weed than meth. Meth is totally, like, way worse, bruh. 
  • I think employers just need to like, chill out man. We’re all human, mistakes are going to be made. You can’t make an omelet without cracking a few eggs. 

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Key groups: 

Key people: 

  •  Rhianna 
  •  Miley Cyrus 
  •  Snoop Dogg 
  •  Hugh Hefner 
  • Morgan Freeman 

Key Movies:  

  •  Culture High 
  •  Super High me 
  •  The Union: the business of getting high 
  • Weed the People 

Argument Against 

  • In a 2004-2011 study on the effects of legalization of marijuana, the national bureau of economic research found that drug abuse and dependence went from 15% to 27%. That’s almost a 50% increase. The added train on our mental health system will cancel out any savings that might incur from decreased drug offenders. 
  • Of course, it won’t be any different. Get ready for the next Joe camel cartoons, pushing marijuana on our children. Legalization means increased use and that means corporate interests will find a way to market this in a shifty, underhanded way that ruins the world for profit. 
  • Marijuana is extremely addictive. If it wasn’t, how would we even classify it as a drug? Now you want me to vote for letting these patchouli smelling, red eyed, monsters have free reign to smoke doobies wherever they desire?! No sir, no thank you. 
  • No. Weed curing cancer is either big marijuana propaganda, or hippie propaganda. I’m not sure which is worse.  
  • They’re doctors. I think they know a little more than you. Just ask the doctors that studied it in the 80’s and found that it was incredibly harmful to your mind and body.  
  • totally fair categorization, host. And might I add that you are an extremely good looking gentleman. A lot so called “weed churches” have popped up recently using the drug as sacrament for their religion. But what it really is, is an excuse to sell the drug under table and pocket the cash under the guise of religious freedom 
  • Something has to be done to end this senseless death and destruction that this evil drug has caused! 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  • Patrick Kennedy  
  •  Alex Berenson 
  •  Luke Niforatos 
  •  Marco Rubio 

Key groups: 

  •  The American Society for addictive medicine 
  •  Th American Anti-drug Council 
  •  Purdue Pharma 
  • Narconon 

Key Movies: 

  •  American drug cartel 2: Cannabis Destiny 
  •  Grass is Greener 
  •  Reefer Madness 
  •  The Terrible Truth 
  • Marijuana Alert! 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “Federal and state laws (should) be changed to no longer make it a crime to possess marijuana for private use.” Richard Nixon, ladies and gentleman. If you are for Marijuana being legalized then I suggest you get in touch with the NORML organization in your area to see how you can help out. If you want to see marijuana outlawed entirely, then keep lobbying for Donald Trump to be impeached, because Mike Pence has your back on that.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid. Arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think I make bad palette cleansers, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about three dudes mansplaining hate speech to all you libtards, neckbeards, snowflakes, and basement dwellers. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about mob mentality! We will also be arguing about white people, and we’ll start to self-actualize. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on herd mentality and what you guys think are worthy causes to herd apathetic people into. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Are we comedians, or just three assholes with recording equipment
  •  My next question involves authoritarianism. It is defined as the belief about the appropriate relationship that should exist between groups and their individual members. Authoritarians use psychological mechanisms to direct people into adopting their accepted social identity/social categorization. They use this to predict intergroup hostilities. This theory is called the social identity theory. This is knowledge we all should have by now. So why the fuck are we still listening to these douchebags? milo 
  •  In case you all thought I had forgotten or was taking the day off from my usual message. I assure you I am getting to the true O. G’s and creators of herd mentality, the government. Let’s talk about the Council on Foreign Relations. The aggregators of how our government conducts themselves. Not just us though. There is a version of this in every civilized country. Not only that, most of our politicians and media talking heads are involved with this council in one way or another. This crazy group that seems to involve everyone that has influence on us in pretty much any way that matters. My next question is, what do ya’ll make of that? milo 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • Well ya’ll, let’s end on Dr. Suess. Specifically, a book called the sneeches. The story of humanoids that have stars on their bellies, and other ones that don’t. And all the class riots and body mutilation that comes along with that type of superficial lifestyle. So, with that in mind, how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • At least 50 more iPhones and then you get put on the wait list. You can preorder your next 100 iPhones and then you will get a secret club fast pass. Till then, no secret club, yo.  
  •  People follow the herd. If we don’t pay for fake accounts, then we will never gain real ones. 
  • It certainly makes things easier. I mean the less I have to use my brain the better. One day I hope to not even have to use it all. Autopilot or bust!  
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Argument Against 

  • There’s no secret club except the club of broke losers with a bunch of shitty phones. It’s a status symbol that is made up to keep you ensnared in consumerism. 
  • I think social media is a dying way to communicate, and our lack of following on them is a result of the real intellectuals craving a different form of communication. Stay tuned for our argument based social media platform, Arguer  
  • Fuck no! Think for yourself, Be an Individual. More ideas are always better and silencing new ideas for the sake of “make it easier” is just a cop out and excuse to not think.  
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Key people: 

Key groups: 

  • Various Anarchistic groups. Most scattered and poorly organized.  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of “clear and present danger,” then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent. 

It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions–by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. 

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match. 

President John F Kennedy, ladies and gentleman. If you are for herd mentality then I suggest you find the council on foreign relations in your country, and see how you can help out.  If you want to see herd mentality wiped from the earth completely, then spread the word and disagree with everything until you’re convinced otherwise. If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think  please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about forgiveness, morality, and understanding who among us should be hurled into the sun for their shitty opinions. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the one day we get off our fat asses and decide to care about something, black Friday! We will also be arguing about reading, and acronyms. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on black Friday and what goods you’re prepared to throw down for this year. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  I’m really excited for Black Friday. It’s by far my favorite holiday of the year. Mass chaos that is bottled and sent directly to me in YouTube Format. What could be Better? Now in recent years we’ve heard a lot about black Friday being dead and shoppers relying mainly on online deals to get in their fix of that sweet sweet capitalism. The results of last year’s black Friday say different, that the event say it was the biggest year ever, pulling in around 6.2 billion dollars in a day. So, first question, is black Friday really dead or is this another thing millennials hope to say enough times that it eventually becomes true? milo 
  •  Here’s some fun stats. The average savings of a big box store any given day around the holidays is around 20%. Black Friday sees that avg jump to about 37%. My next question is for Joel. I know you like to save a penny wherever possible, so given those stats, is the extra 17% worth the carnage and river of blood that fills the aisles of Walmart’s around the country? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Are books better than movies? 
  •  You guys ever watch any fighting sports? I ask because I love that shit. I love the WWE, UFC, and the NFL. But they pale in comparison to the amateur bum fights that encapsulate black Friday. The death count is currently at 12 deaths and 117 injuries. So, if black Friday starts to decline and we see less of that, I don’t know that America will be able to cope the lack of violence that we so desperately need. Next question, if the fights stop, how long before we institute a purge? milo 
  •  I want to talk now about debt. We all have it. We all hate it. It’s estimated that American credit card companies own about 1 trillion dollars in debt. It’s also estimated that 25% of Americans take 3 months or more to pay off their debt from Black Friday. This question is for our economics majors. Is that enough debt to stimulate our economy? joel 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is it Gif or Gif? 
  •  I found out something interesting in doing research for this episode and looking for free soup at the same time. It turns out, that a lot of homeless people will camp outside of stores with everyone else in an attempt to get a good night’s rest. Too bad for them, because they ain’t buying. As a result of their rejection of capitalism, they face fines and jail time. That seems fair right? milo 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • I’m not sure if my usual last question applies to Black Friday, because I’m not sure there is anything to solve here. But I guess I’ll ask it anyway. Guys, how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Those millennial trash people are a bunch of terds. Capitalist hating terds. 
  •  Hell yes, they’re worth it! I’ll punch a pregnant lady in the face for 80% off a tv. 
  •  Unnecessary. Our yearly offering to the capitalist gods will never cease to exist, so I reject your question.  
  •  Totally fair. They’re taking up consumer space. Those spaces are reserved for people who are buying stuff that they need, not dirty, rotten freeloaders. 
  •  These things tend to work themselves out. 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

  •  I could not find any activists rallying for Black Friday rights 

Key people: 

Argument Against 

  • Online sales jumped last year, up 28% to $3.7 billion on Thanksgiving, according to Adobe Analytics. As of 10 a.m. Eastern Time on Black Friday, online spending was up 27.8% to $643 million. Millennials are inevitable, old man. Inevitable.  
  • Is that tv really worth your life? 12 people have died! This is an epidemic!  
  • Ya that’s true, we will need something. The obvious choice I guess is socialism. A compelling case could be made for communism as well. 
  • These people don’t even have a roof over their heads and then they’re arrested for trying to get a night’s sleep without being shivved by dirty mike and the molester boys.  
  • Maybe we can just charge a fair price year round instead of jacking up the prices until we are all so fed up with them that we resort to beating people over the head with a table set.  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. Some people see Black Friday as a much-needed break for their wallet. I see it as retail outlets showing the customers the full weight of their contempt. The frenzy to buy cheap crap from China, the human downgrade of people fighting with each other over items they can probably live without, to me, is an insult. Henry Rollins, ladies and gentleman. If you are for sex work being decriminalized then I suggest you get in touch with the sex workers project to see how you can help out. If you want to see sex workers outlawed entirely, then vote for kamala Harris.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think green plants are flowers, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Gentrification: Valid Arguments

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that will make you think twice about that tinder message you just sent. Stefan.  I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Gentrification! We will also be arguing about fruits and veggies, and tent making. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on gentrification, and which cities you think, need it the most? milo 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Proponents of gentrification will tell you that gentrification is a natural process that has always taken place. Neighborhoods get popular, property values go up. Opponents will tell you that this is class warfare. That these neighborhoods need to be preserved to avoid cities becoming exclusively rich people. Is there any weight to this gentrification stuff or is it a lot of poor people whining about rich people like always? milo 
  •  Let’s move on to displacement. We all rented for a good period of time. Migration among renters is high whether a neighborhood becomes fancy or not. So why should it be any different when the millennials move in? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Do vegetables have feelings? milo 
  • A lot of these problems seem to stem from absentee owners and rent controlled areas. It seems to me that if these Mr. Heckle like cretons we call landlords were regulated; we could solve this thing wholesale. So Why shouldn’t we just burn all the landlords like the witches that they are? No Absentee owners, no problem, right? joel 
  •  Well I gotta say guys. All this gentrification talk makes me think of how much money I don’t have. So, hypothetically, if someone wanted to be proactive, what are the first signs can poor people can look out for if they think their area is starting to be gentrified? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is camping really fun? Or a tradition we’re all lying to ourselves about? 
  • One of the things that I’ve been reading about is that when people buy houses, their property value goes up during gentrification. As a homeowner, that makes me want to find a couple of feminine construction workers and start gentrifying my own neighborhood. So, my question is where do you get off wanting me to have lower property value?! 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • I want to talk about what’s called tax abatement. A tax abatement is a financial incentive that eliminates or significantly reduces the amount of taxes that an owner pays on a piece of residential property. Here’s where the fuckery comes in. Tax abatements also apply to commercial property. So, if you manage to contact an organization that can help your neighborhood obtain a tax abatement program, chances are the gentrifiers can take advantage of it too. You guys think these tax abatements are helping or, just like everything the government gets involved in, are they just making things worse?  
  •  The effects of gentrification can be felt pretty much anywhere near a city or college. You can probably think of a place in your own town that’s starting to look more commercialized and catering to the youth more than your old ass would like. Last question, how do we solve this thing

Argument for: 

  • It’s a bunch of lazy-ass do nothings that want to mooch off the system as much as possible. This is just the latest scheme to do so. 
  •  It shouldn’t. Millennials have every right to pay exorbitant amounts of money to be able to ride their electric scooter to their homemade candle shop while wearing a scarf with a t-shirt from a band “you’ve probably never heard of”. And who are you to take that away from them!? 
  •  Whoa man, that’s really harshing the vibe. Gentrifiers aren’t so much “displacing” people, as they are letting them spread their wings and fly out into the world. 
  •  If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times. Poor people hate homeowners. They’re just looking at you with their freedom to move at any time. Trying to snatch your mortgage right from under you. 
  •  Ya it’s kind of a double standard, but hey, don’t hate the player, hate the game fam. 
  •  Seems like it will work itself out. 

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  • These people are having their lives uprooted for the sake of vegan bakeries. Is that the type of world you want to live in? Where we care more about pastries than humans?! Why not just put these people right in the oven yourself!? Because that’s what your condemning them to. Ovens. 
  • People shouldn’t have to pick between living in a decent neighborhood and spending their life savings on rent. What’s next, the HOA having mandatory drum circles? Where does this end?! 
  • Burn the Landlords! Burn them ALL!! 
  • Homeowners only see property value go up enough to make a profit if they can afford the inflation of the property taxes you will incur from living in a gentrified area long enough to sell your home. Even with tax abatement programs you will most likely use the profit you made on your home to pay off the back taxes on it.  
  • Just like the government. Robbing peter to pay paul. Like always. 
  • Declaring neighborhoods that are currently being gentrified as untouchable housing markets until suitable housing becomes available. Using the increased tax revenue that the city is getting to do so. Also, Homeownership. Make it easier.  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. In my heart of hearts, I truly believe that Senator Bernie Sanders is the right man to lead this country. Killer Mike, ladies and gentleman. If you are for gentrification I suggest you get a tool belt, contact HGTV and try to work out a deal for yourself. If you want to find a different solution to gentrification, then I suggest you get in touch with the Right to the city and homes for all organizations, and see if there’s anything you can do to help out.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think chain wallets are making a comeback, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Joel pops in. “guys! We got our first bad review!”  

Awesome what does it say?! 

Joel reads review. 

Arguing about being Edge-lords. 

Jeremy tells milo it’s not as easy as just reading stuff.  

Milo decides to be the host(like a Dickhead). 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about a sex worker and a wealthy businessman that fall hard for one another. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about sex work, but mostly we will be quoting pretty woman. We will also be arguing about marriage, and Fashion. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by each of you telling me about a time in your life where you, yourself have felt like a sex worker. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  You guys familiar with the 10th amendment? It is perhaps my favorite amendment. It reads, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” It basically says that the states have every right, individually, to give the federal government the finger. I wanted to start with that because prostitution is a state’s rights issue. My question for you guys is should this be seen as an equality issue and thus fall under the purview of the federal government? 
  •  If you are listening to this than you know I don’t like to skirt around big issues. The biggest issue surrounding sex workers today is the potential for it to cross the line into sex trafficking. Given that we, as we say all the time, are three white guys from the Midwest who don’t know anything. My next question is should we even touch this one?  
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is love is a good basis for marriage
  • One of the problems I personally have with sex work is the perception that people are commodities that can be bought and sold. If paying for sex is normalized, I believe it sends a signal to young people that sex is not something that two or more people who like each other do together, but more like a trip to the post office. That sit right with ya’ll? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is fashion important? Or a social construct
  •  There was a study done between 2003 and 2007 on the economics of sex work shows that sex work can bring in anywhere from $39.9 million to $290 million per state. That’s a shitload! And while that number is very hard to pin down, if it’s anywhere close to that, shouldn’t that be basis alone for exploring the idea as a valid profession? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 

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  •  The only people against sex work frame their argument as anti human trafficking. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.”. Jerry Falwell, ladies and gentleman. If you are for sex work being decriminalized then I suggest you get in touch with the sex workers project to see how you can help out. If you want to see sex workers outlawed entirely, then vote for kamala Harris.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think we should raise the drinking age, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about the good ole days, when candy was a penny, and grunge wasn’t considered classic rock. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Nostalgia, this is what a millennials midlife crisis looks like. We will also be arguing about good role models, and then we will put you in a VERY awkward position. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro).  nostalgic memory is. Milo, then joel. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Nostalgia is defined as a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past. It comes from the Greek word for homesickness. This characterization has been eating at me. My first question is that if these memories are happy in nature, why are these feelings of homesickness or longing what we associate them with? Joel 
  •  Nostalgia is often associated with meaningful memories. Clay Routledge wrote a book about his labs experience with nostalgia and what they found was that it is most often triggered by meaninglessness, loneliness, and sadness. Studies show that when people are overwhelmed with existential dread, feelings of nostalgia can increase productivity and help cultivate relationships. Given that, I could see nostalgia as being a sort of defense mechanism that our bodies use to cope with our meaningless existence. That’s not a question, just wanted to put it out there. 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is Batman a good role model
  •  I’ve been reading a little bit about group nostalgia. It is said that experiencing group nostalgia can be a sort of glue that holds a group together. With that logic it would seem that we should all strive for group nostalgia in order to move us all forward together. Do you guys think there’s any downside to group nostalgia? 
  •  It’s no secret, times have changed. The culture now is a lot different from the culture we consider nostalgic. So, let’s play a game. What’s a nostalgic show/movie that would be super problematic nowadays?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Is yoga exercise or just creative standing 
  • Some people report feelings of nostalgia for a particular time period. Some for time periods they weren’t even alive for. As we just mentioned, some movies can try to create a type of historical nostalgia presented as a way to help people kind of cope with their current lives. Do you think that’s ok or should these sad sacks just learn to pick themselves up and move the fuck on with their lives? 
  •  Studies done have shown that music and movies are some of the biggest triggers for nostalgic feelings. What do you guys think is the most nostalgic piece of pop culture for you personally? 
  •   Palette cleanser/segment 
  • In the past 20 years we have went from barely having flip phones, dial up internet, and other incredible advances that contribute to our society in immeasurable ways. So, were the good ole days really that good? 

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  • . Because you’re not doing it right. 
  •  Make America Great Again. 

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  •   Clay Routledge is the authority on this matter. He theorizes that these feelings may actually be associated with a negative time in your life and we use nostalgia as a sort of defense mechanism against that trauma.  
  • Ace Ventura, pet detective. You have a problem with transgender people, Jim? 
  • although textual analysis showed the nostalgic memory descriptions were more positive, across all condition’s positivity was no indicator of intention to volunteer 
  •  In nostalgic moments, each memory becomes magnified, not only in terms of depth of meaning, but also of emotional experience. There is generally a longing to go back to these past experiences with a desire to hold each moment close and not let it go. 
  •  The only good memories are dead ones. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* me I think the only good memory is a dead one. I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. I don’t do nostalgia. It just doesn’t occur to me. I’m living in the moment, and I don’t have that gene. Harrison Ford, ladies and gentleman. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who put the toilet roll under rather than over, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments and if you like the show please leave us a rating and review on itunes. We hope to disagree with you soon

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about three people with a beginners grasp on the English language, discussing topics that require a doctorate in philosophy. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about The United States Prison system, and by the end hopefully we won’t be a part of it. We will also be arguing about a well-balanced breakfast, and Nickelback. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley. (Joel intro). And our special guest Serj Tankian of SOAD Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on prisons, and which people walking the street today, you would most like to see there. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  My first question is for Joel, our resident arguer that loves to bring up the fact that the US leads the world in incarcerated prisoners. According to the most recent data just over 600k people are sent to prison each year. My question is, do you think we rely on incarceration too much? joel 
  •  Here’s a fun fact that may surprise you. Most people enter prisons poor. The median income of recent prisoners is usually around $10,000 per year. And in 49 states, inmates are charged for the costs of their own incarceration. That means, when you are released from prison, there is a bill waiting for you. In some states failure to pay these bills is the number one reason for incarceration. The reason I mention it is because I’m wondering if you guys think that’s part of their debt to society, or if time served should also mean debt served. milo 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is cereal soup
  •  In May of 2014 the federal bureau of prisons changed the program policy regarding mental health among the inmates. We here at Valid Arguments had previously reported that all inmates receive mental health when needed. Turns out that was false. Approximately 20-40% were classified as needing regular mental care. After the change in 2014, the scope of that treatment was narrowed down to just 3% of inmates. So, this is a simple question, did the new policy work? -joel 
  •  One of the bigger issues I wanted to touch on was the brutality of our prison system. It’s not brutal in the way that like a third world country is where the prison itself is brutal. Here in America we are brutal to each other. Our indifference to the violent conditions aside, do you guys think if the prisons were nicer, that the inmates would be nicer
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Going along with our prison theme. What’s the worst form of torture
  • Arguably the single biggest issue in our prison system today is Overpopulation. Over half of our nations prison systems are at double capacity or more. This issue obviously leads to more violence, territory disputes, and I don’t know if you guys know this, but beds are actually a part of the prison economy with people trading smokes and other valuables in order to sleep in a bed for the night. My question in all this is, do you guys think a bed is a right? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 
  •  It’s estimated that every incarcerated worker there saves taxpayers $5,000 and generates around 50 million in revenue per state with the help of inmate labor programs, state funding, and various investments from companies that benefit from cheap labor. With this sort of offender funded business model, my last question for you guys is. Y’all wanna buy a prison

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  •  They are in prison because they’re not nice. They could be held in the Taj mahal and there would still be riots and cruelty.  
  •  There’s plenty of people who aren’t in prison that don’t have beds. I say it’s not a right if you have to buy it. With money.  
  •  fuck ya, those things make a ton of money! And they help a good cause…. keeping criminals off the whatnot. 

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  •   The American criminal justice system holds almost 2.3 million people in 1,719 state prisons, 109 federal prisons, 1,772 juvenile correctional facilities, 3,163 local jails, and 80 Indian Country jails as well as in military prisons, immigration detention facilities, civil commitment centers, state psychiatric hospitals, and prisons in the U.S. territories. That’s way too many numbers for the answer to be no. 
  •  Today, you cannot go to prison for failing to pay for a “civil debt” like a credit card, loan, or hospital bill. You can, however, be forced to go to jail if you don’t pay your taxes or child support. … In that way, if you fail to pay these fines, you may go to jail. And that’s wrong. 
  •  although the Bureau of Prisons changed its rules, officials did not add the staffing or resources needed to implement them, creating an incentive for employees to downgrade inmates to lower care levels because at the lowest levels of care they have access to more mental health drugs rather than psychology. Basically, they doubled the workload and kept the resources the same.  
  •  Not having a bed can lead to mental disorders, restless leg syndome, back problems, and other health issues. Not to mention being in a crowded prison and fighting over beds can lead to territory disputes and violence over something as simple as a bed. It may not be a right, but it seems like a simple solution to a lot of problems. That’s probably why so many people have them.  
  •  Fuuuuuuuck no I don’t want to contribute to the current system which only serves to create more criminals within our society. Fuck outta here. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Money will determine whether the accused goes to prison or walks out of the courtroom a free man. Johnny Cochran ladies and gentleman. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think it’s ok for bicyclists to ignore traffic lights, then please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments and if you like the show please leave us a rating and review on iTunes. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Now on our last episode we had a lot of fun facts about animals in cages. So I thought It would be good if we had some fun facts about people in cages on this episode. Unfortunately, this is a pretty bleak subject so I think I’m going to go with fun things to do in prison!  

Read books. 

 work on writing your novel 

 Workout 

Run 

Develop a hobby. 

talk 

make an escape plan 

pretend to be someone else 

 guess people’s crimes 

 imagine what the worlds like on the outside.  

Prison gets a bum rap. 

Companies that use prison labor 

  • Victorias Secret – inmates usually made about 45 cents per garment sewn together. 
  • Whole foods – sells stuff gotten from other companies that use prison labor 
  • Walmart – contracts companies that use prison labor to dispose of returns and excess inventory. 
  • Microsoft – uses prisoners to package software and accessories. 
  • Starbucks – uses inmates to package in store items. 
  • BP – remember that oil spill? Prisoners cleaned it up. 
  • Nintendo – the sub-contractor that packages game boys use prison labor 
  • AT&T & Verizon use prison labor for their call centers 
  • Target – uses suppliers that keep their prices low through prison labor 
  • Dell – recycled pc’s. Were forced to stop when prisoners were exposed to toxins. 
  • Eddie Bauer – made cheap clothes 
  • Boeing – used sub-contractor that cuts airplane parts with prisoners to undercut unions 
  • Macy’s – same as the other clothing companies 
  • Wendy’s – prisoners process Wendy’s meat.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about glass houses and sinking ships. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Zoos, or as I call them, the geo-prison industrial complex. We will also be arguing about golf, and if our athletes should be nicer to one another. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on zoo’s and if you think they should allow more guns on the premises (currently allow 0 per person). 

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  •  The top three animals that zoos want are tigers, lions, and lemurs. They do this not for any conservation efforts, but because of the entertainment factor. Do you think zoos should be able to capture any animal, like the playful baby sea-otter as long as it amuses us? 
  • The biggest problems facing zoos given their pro conservation stance is the unsustainability of many animal programs. Many of the animals produce more offspring than zoos have space for. They deal with this issue with Surplus management strategies that mainly involve sterilization and euthanasia. Don’t we owe our prisoners like the late great gorilla Harambe a little more than a short life in a small hole? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is golf a sport
  •  There’s some evidence to suggest that captive animals struggle with their mental health. depression in leopards, OCD in brown bears, and a condition called “zoochosis” that makes them do some pretty crazy stuff.  You think zoos should be required to provide psychologists and mental health professionals to their prisoners like the wildly impractical but loveable giraffe? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should fighting be allowed in hockey
  •  A lot of heartless people argue that zoo research obtained from the animal slaves we took, is essential to understanding our ecosystem. Is that really a good justification for mercilessly tearing families apart? 
  • Do you think zoos should make more of an effort to reunite families like the adorable bottle-nose dolphin after ripping them apart and scarring them for life? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 
  • In 2014 the us court of appeals (which included justice Kavanaugh at the time) OSHA vs. SEAWORLD ruled that SeaWorld was guilty not protecting their employees. SeaWorld has over 100 incidents of orca aggression towards trainers including three deaths. At what point do you kind of have it coming when you go into that kind of work? 

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  • . Every year, AZA-accredited zoos and aquariums spend $220 million on field conservation alone, supporting more than 2,600 projects in 130 countries. To date, the AZA Conservation Grants Fund has provided $7.7 million in support for 400+ projects worldwide. 
  •  Last year alone, 146,136 students embarked on learning experiences at Zoos Victoria, seeking greater connections with wildlife and the skills needed to equip our children with as they inherit stewardship of a stressed planet. 
  •  for many species (but no, not all) it is perfectly possible to keep them in a zoo or wildlife park and for them to have a quality of life as high or higher than in the wild. They also have no fear of predators 
  •  Smithsonian’s National Zoo in Washington is leading global research efforts on the detection and treatment of the sometimes-fatal elephant herpes virus, with the ultimate goal of developing an effective vaccine to be administered to the species in both zoo and wild populations 
  •  Isn’t it better to be alive and alone then dead together? 
  •  Ya they totally had it coming 

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  • A study published in the journal PLOS ONE (which is dedicated to original research from all disciplines within science) found that only 18 percent of land animals in zoo collections are threatened or endangered 
  •   Less than 10 percent of the 2,800 wildlife exhibitors licensed by the United States Department of Agriculture under the Animal Welfare Act meet the more comprehensive standards of AZA accreditation. 
  •  Surplus management strategies are one of the best-kept secrets of modern zoos. In 2014, the world reacted with shock and outrage when a healthy 2-year-old giraffe named Marius was killed and cut up in front of spectators at Copenhagen Zoo. His body was then fed to the lions. (hey click here!) That site details some tips to avoid animal suffering. One of which is DO NOT EAT ENDANGERED ANIMALS! 
  •  normal behaviors are regulated and eliminated with regimes of food and artificial pairing. The daily routine in zoos is repetitive and monotonous. In most cases there is no type of privacy or stimulation and, as such, just as we would, animals suffer emotionally. 
  •  Texas has the world’s second-largest tiger population, due to private citizens’ propensity for keeping these big cats as pets. It is still legal in 29 states to buy a tiger. In Alabama they don’t even require a permit to keep an exotic animal. Although they have restrictions on the animals that are prohibited from being sold possessed or imported, like the mongoose coyote and wild turkey, there is no regulation on non-human primates, big cats, wolves or any other large predator. 
  •  Ya they definitely had it coming. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “orcas aren’t smart”. Seaworld ladies and gentlemen. That’s of course according to SeaWorld’s evidence. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think a hotdog is a sandwich, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

 
Fun facts: 

Sloths only descend from the trees once a week to use the bathroom.  

Koala fingerprints are almost indistinguishable from humans and have been mistaken at crime scenes before.  

Elephants are the only animal that cannot jump.  

Nearly three percent of the ice in Antarctic glaciers is penguin urine. 

Giraffes have no vocal chords 

Kangaroos can’t fart 

BABY ELEPHANTS SUCK THEIR TRUNKS FOR COMFORT. 

A GRIZZLY BEAR’S BITE IS STRONG ENOUGH TO CRUSH A BOWLING BALL 

SEA OTTERS HOLD HANDS WHILE THEY’RE SLEEPING SO THEY DON’T DRIFT APART. 

ANIMAL BEHAVIORISTS HAVE CONCLUDED THAT CATS DON’T MEOW AS A WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. IT’S A METHOD THEY USE FOR GETTING ATTENTION FROM HUMANS. 

IN THE UK, THE BRITISH MONARCH LEGALLY OWNS ALL UNMARKED SWANS IN OPEN WATER. 

ALL CLOWNFISH ARE BORN MALE—SOME TURN FEMALE TO ENABLE MATING. 

MALE RING-TAILED LEMURS WILL “STINK FIGHT” BY WAFTING SCENT AT EACH OTHER. 

IN 1924, A LABRADOR RETRIEVER WAS SENTENCED TO LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE AT EASTERN STATE PENITENTIARY FOR KILLING THE GOVERNOR’S CAT. 

HONEYBEES CAN GET SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES