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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about fuckwads. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the thing that keeps our world turning, manners! We will also be arguing about clowns, and relevant legislation. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I’ll get into the questions in a minute but first a quick word from our sponsor today. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Let’s start with a simple one. Now I’m not a big advocate of capital punishment, but when it comes to certain people, I think a firing squad wouldn’t be the worst idea in the world. My first question is should we give people that don’t say thank you, the death penalty? 
  •  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Old people suck. Do you know who else sucks? Young people. Young people will bitch about really anything, and the youth is looking more and more like a bunch of dead eyed mouth breathers every day. My question is about technology. Do you guys think that the massive technological advancements we’ve seen recently, have contributed to these bad-mannered shitheads? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is a fear of clown’s irrational? 
  • There’s nothing I hate more than some mannerless little kid in the grocery store screaming, throwing themselves on the ground, and threatening to stab cashiers with a fondue fork. So, should you be able to discipline other people’s kids if they’re being shitheads in public? 
  • This episode is kind of lacking my usual fun facts. Let me share one with you guys about manners. 71% of hiring managers said they valued their employees’ emotional intelligence over their IQ. According to Brighton. With that statistic in mind do success and good manners go hand in hand? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – you get to make one law, what is it? 
  • Driving to the studio today I saw a smidge of grass. The reason I only saw a little bit of grass is that where the grass was supposed to be, there was a bunch of Styrofoam bullshit being thrown out of car windows all along the road. I think this one will be a Valid argument. Chemical castration for people that litter? We only get one earth. 
  • I am not a big fan of our school system. I think they teach us a lot of less than important things that prepare us for little more than more time in school, while life skills are slashed or cut out all together from the curriculum. Next question is should manners be taught in school? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

Key Movies:  

Argument Against 

  • Slap people in the face 
  • spit off of overpasses onto pedestrians 
  • don’t flush the toilet after taking a huge shit 
  • Don’t Tip  
  • Don’t hold doors, slam them in people’s faces  

Sources: 

Key people: 

Key groups: 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. T stands for being nice. T stands for manners. T stands for being polite, Mr. T ladies and gentleman. If you are for good manners then I suggest you get in touch with an etiquette school in your area and see how you can help out. If you want manners outlawed entirely, then just keep being a jackass.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as that guy at the party with an acoustic guitar, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that’s slowly indoctrinating you into our future cult. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about conspiracy theories, man. Make sure to drink every time we say the government (unless you’re driving). We will also be arguing about school, and modern-day relationships. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get to the questions in a second but first a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  I want to start with MK-Ultra. If you don’t know that was the government’s attempt at mind control. They attempted this by feeding people copious amounts of LSD. This is a verifiable fact, so the question is, if that’s the part they’re telling us, do you think they went further with the program and still managed to keep it under wraps? milo 
  •  Hey guys, what do you think about concentration camps? Don’t like em? Well guess what, that’s exactly where the government wants you. In February of 1942 the government put around 100,000 AMERICANS in concentration camps. What’s to stop them from putting you in one too? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment Is P.E. a real class
  •  The shooters were never found. Suge Knight was never hit. Pac always wore a bulletproof vest. The man who cremated Tupac retired immediately afterward. Where is Tupac? And for that matter, where’s biggie? I ask because they’re definitely not dead. -Jeremy 
  •  Ya’ll got gardens? You should get one. The reason you should get one is that the government is poisoning your food. They we’re even caught poisoning our food and we didn’t get so much as a “my bad” from them. In the 20’s during prohibition they killed an estimated 10,000 people by poisoning alcohol “as a deterrent” to discourage people from drinking. Someone should go to jail for killing that many people, right?  Joel 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – can you come back from the friendzone
  •  I’ve got one word for you guys. Gay Bombs. That’s right gay bombs. This is one that I personally had a really hard time with. After loads of research and sweaty nights spent trying to wrap my  head, around this subject. I am sad to report, it’s true. The government, in all seriousness, tried to make a bomb that discharges female sex pheromones so they could disperse it over enemy forces in order to make them sexually attracted to each other. Rendering them useless in a fight. My question is, can gay people fight very well? Joel 
  •  So, in the past we’ve made jokes about anti vaccine people. A lot. Like a whole lot. I personally didn’t think I’d ever find myself giving credence to their ideas. Thanks a bunch, Government! You did it again! An estimated 10-30 million people were exposed to a virus called SV40 after receiving polio vaccines in the 1950s and 1960s. This SV40 is a reportedly cancer causing chemical. But that was the 50’s. They’ve probably cleaned up their act since then, right? Milo 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 
  • The reason we will probably never see the light of day after this episode comes out is NOT because the government is going to have us killed. They don’t need to do that anymore. They control the media and everyone in it. My last question is about the, should be infamous, but less known, project mockingbird. Project mockingbird was uncovered by the church committee after the Watergate scandal and may still be affecting us today. They paid journalists to spread CIA propaganda and to this day issue gag orders under the guise of “national security”. So, how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • . Of course, they did! The official government record of these events details how test subjects were emotionally crippled for life. If that’s what they are telling us, What are they not telling us? 
  •  Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The government will always do whatever they want under the guise of national security. Does our nation need to be secure? Does the entire world hate us? Are you even real man!? 
  •  Tupac’s aunt is political activist and former Black Liberation Army member Assata Shakur, who was granted political asylum in Cuba in 1984, after fleeing prison in the States. Tupac has joined her and is living a healthy life.  
  •  Not only have they caused cancer with these so called “vaccines” they put autism in them! Autism! How are we ok with this level of accountability? 
  •  The media is going to destroy us. They will never let us see the light of day. 

Sources: 

  • https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/search/site/mk%20ultra 

Key groups: 

  • Stuff they don’t want you to know.  
  •  All time Conspiracies 
  •  Disclose truth TV 

Key people: 

  • Alex Jones  
  • William tappley  
  •  Paul Joseph Watson 
  •  The Vigilant Christian 
  • Mark Dice 

Key Movies:  

  • https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433674/ 

Argument Against 

  •   How would they have gone further? There was an enormous public outcry about this. It’s not like they can just change the name and move it somewhere that no one’s ever heard of the experiment. The Government’s not that smart. 
  •  Those concentration camps were temporary and during wartime. The united states government would never detain people without good reason.  That would be un-American. 
  •  That’s ludicrous. Tupac was shot dead. Case closed. Nothing to see here folks. 
  •  Some vaccines are unsafe but what’s the alternative? Natural selection? How are we to live in a society of humans and expect perfection? 
  •  That’s a lot of hype and bullshit. The media is competent enough to get their story straight half the time. How am I supposed to think they could orchestrate a coup against the American people? 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Truthloader 
  •  Blacklisted news 
  •  Adam VS the man 
  •  Lyn Leahs 

Key groups: 

  •  Qanon 
  •  Anti Defamation League 
  •  Most People 

Key Movies: 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Our winner tonight said this after fighting for your rights. “You have to consume Fig Newtons with either milk or an alternative milk product. It’s like a conspiracy with the dairy industry. They’re in cahoots.”. The King Ad-Rock, ladies and gentleman. If you are for conspiracy theories continuing on then I suggest you get in touch with the infowars to see how you can help out. If you want to conspiracy theories become more rational, then I suggest you get in touch with snopes and see if they’re hiring.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it.  

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think we can win the war on drugs, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about harsh vibes and crunchy tunes, man. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the only thing hippies ever talk about, marijuana! We will also be arguing about Prenuptial Agreements, and pregnancy. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by both of you taking a big ole rip off this bong and telling me the worst thing about marijuana

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Today let’s start with the economy. I love anything that helps our economy grow and more specifically any that helps my bottom line. The economic impacts of marijuana seem like the least debated topic when it comes to this subject. So, what do you guys think, is there any economic downside to legalizing the devil’s lettuce
  •  My biggest problem with marijuana is big marijuana. I don’t mean plants that are ten feet tall and have baseball sized dank nugs hanging off of them. I mean the corporate assholes that are running this shit. We’re all familiar with big tobacco and how those dickheads lied to all of us for years about how harmful their product is. It’s a pretty simple question I have about it, why would that sweet baby bang be any different once corporate interests are involved? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Should couples get a prenup before moving in together
  •  Let’s get back to it with addiction. Now my entire life Its been drilled into my head that marijuana is not addictive. It’s probably the number one talking point for any marijuana advocate. The National institute for drug abuse tells us a different story. They say according to a 2015 study, about 4.0 million people in the United States met the diagnostic criteria for a marijuana use disorder; 138,000 voluntarily sought treatment for their marijuana use. So how full of shit are these dope smoking hippies that are trying to push their stinkweed bricks on the American population? 
  • Not only have people been telling me that marijuana is not addictive. I’ve also been told by propagators of marijuana legalization that the stuff will cure my cancer. Yet again I am told a different story by medical professionals. The National institutes of health says that although cannabis and its derivatives may help to alleviate disease and therapy-related symptoms, there is no clinical evidence of its anti-cancer efficacy. What the hell bro? My next question is with all this lying and misleading, why should I trust anything these guys say? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – When are you allowed to touch a pregnant belly
  •  One of the good things about marijuana legalization is that intuitively I would think that there would be a reduced crime rate, as a good portion of our prison system is comprised of low-level drug offenders, like potheads. Turns out that shit is wrong too. It’s said that of the 14 million pounds of marijuana grown in California ezach year, only 20 percent is sold in California, While the rest is spread around that country illegally. My question, do you guys think that’s a fair categorization, or do you see it going down once it is federally legal and has full support of the union?   
  •  Hey guys you know what we all have in common? We all have dangerous jobs. All of us work in places we could die in on a daily basis. According to a 2016 study on postal workers. Employees who screened positive for marijuana use had 55% more industrial accidents, 85% more injuries, and absenteeism rates 75% higher than those who tested negative. My question is how can we justify all these senseless deaths? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • In a 2015 study for the FBI yearly statistics 83% of drug arrests were for simple possession. About 43% we for marijuana possession. That’s around 643,000 inmate’s worth of taxes we would save annually. Add that to the tax revenue from sales and the jobs created as a result, and you’re looking at more money than you can shake a hog at. 
  •  More corporate money involved in marijuana means that the growers will finally have the resources to make the product the way it was intended to. That means that doctors can research its medical benefits more thoroughly. It’s a win win win. 
  • What is that a 2% addiction rate? How can that be a justification for criminalization? That’s negligible at best. Tobacco boasts a 7% cancer causing rate at minimum! And now those people have to smoke the weed anyway to deal with the chemo!  
  •  It totally cures cancer bro. Just ask my friend Astrid. She totally had cancer, and just smoked a bunch of weed, and rubbed crystals on herself. She’s never looked better. Wait I think she died last week actually. 
  • Dude, They’re doctors. I think they know a little more than you. Just ask the doctors that studied it in the 80’s and found that it was incredibly harmful to your mind and body. 
  •  Better weed than meth. Meth is totally, like, way worse, bruh. 
  • I think employers just need to like, chill out man. We’re all human, mistakes are going to be made. You can’t make an omelet without cracking a few eggs. 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

  •  Rhianna 
  •  Miley Cyrus 
  •  Snoop Dogg 
  •  Hugh Hefner 
  • Morgan Freeman 

Key Movies:  

  •  Culture High 
  •  Super High me 
  •  The Union: the business of getting high 
  • Weed the People 

Argument Against 

  • In a 2004-2011 study on the effects of legalization of marijuana, the national bureau of economic research found that drug abuse and dependence went from 15% to 27%. That’s almost a 50% increase. The added train on our mental health system will cancel out any savings that might incur from decreased drug offenders. 
  • Of course, it won’t be any different. Get ready for the next Joe camel cartoons, pushing marijuana on our children. Legalization means increased use and that means corporate interests will find a way to market this in a shifty, underhanded way that ruins the world for profit. 
  • Marijuana is extremely addictive. If it wasn’t, how would we even classify it as a drug? Now you want me to vote for letting these patchouli smelling, red eyed, monsters have free reign to smoke doobies wherever they desire?! No sir, no thank you. 
  • No. Weed curing cancer is either big marijuana propaganda, or hippie propaganda. I’m not sure which is worse.  
  • They’re doctors. I think they know a little more than you. Just ask the doctors that studied it in the 80’s and found that it was incredibly harmful to your mind and body.  
  • totally fair categorization, host. And might I add that you are an extremely good looking gentleman. A lot so called “weed churches” have popped up recently using the drug as sacrament for their religion. But what it really is, is an excuse to sell the drug under table and pocket the cash under the guise of religious freedom 
  • Something has to be done to end this senseless death and destruction that this evil drug has caused! 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  • Patrick Kennedy  
  •  Alex Berenson 
  •  Luke Niforatos 
  •  Marco Rubio 

Key groups: 

  •  The American Society for addictive medicine 
  •  Th American Anti-drug Council 
  •  Purdue Pharma 
  • Narconon 

Key Movies: 

  •  American drug cartel 2: Cannabis Destiny 
  •  Grass is Greener 
  •  Reefer Madness 
  •  The Terrible Truth 
  • Marijuana Alert! 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “Federal and state laws (should) be changed to no longer make it a crime to possess marijuana for private use.” Richard Nixon, ladies and gentleman. If you are for Marijuana being legalized then I suggest you get in touch with the NORML organization in your area to see how you can help out. If you want to see marijuana outlawed entirely, then keep lobbying for Donald Trump to be impeached, because Mike Pence has your back on that.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid. Arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think I make bad palette cleansers, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Gentrification: Valid Arguments

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that will make you think twice about that tinder message you just sent. Stefan.  I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Gentrification! We will also be arguing about fruits and veggies, and tent making. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on gentrification, and which cities you think, need it the most? milo 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Proponents of gentrification will tell you that gentrification is a natural process that has always taken place. Neighborhoods get popular, property values go up. Opponents will tell you that this is class warfare. That these neighborhoods need to be preserved to avoid cities becoming exclusively rich people. Is there any weight to this gentrification stuff or is it a lot of poor people whining about rich people like always? milo 
  •  Let’s move on to displacement. We all rented for a good period of time. Migration among renters is high whether a neighborhood becomes fancy or not. So why should it be any different when the millennials move in? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Do vegetables have feelings? milo 
  • A lot of these problems seem to stem from absentee owners and rent controlled areas. It seems to me that if these Mr. Heckle like cretons we call landlords were regulated; we could solve this thing wholesale. So Why shouldn’t we just burn all the landlords like the witches that they are? No Absentee owners, no problem, right? joel 
  •  Well I gotta say guys. All this gentrification talk makes me think of how much money I don’t have. So, hypothetically, if someone wanted to be proactive, what are the first signs can poor people can look out for if they think their area is starting to be gentrified? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is camping really fun? Or a tradition we’re all lying to ourselves about? 
  • One of the things that I’ve been reading about is that when people buy houses, their property value goes up during gentrification. As a homeowner, that makes me want to find a couple of feminine construction workers and start gentrifying my own neighborhood. So, my question is where do you get off wanting me to have lower property value?! 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • I want to talk about what’s called tax abatement. A tax abatement is a financial incentive that eliminates or significantly reduces the amount of taxes that an owner pays on a piece of residential property. Here’s where the fuckery comes in. Tax abatements also apply to commercial property. So, if you manage to contact an organization that can help your neighborhood obtain a tax abatement program, chances are the gentrifiers can take advantage of it too. You guys think these tax abatements are helping or, just like everything the government gets involved in, are they just making things worse?  
  •  The effects of gentrification can be felt pretty much anywhere near a city or college. You can probably think of a place in your own town that’s starting to look more commercialized and catering to the youth more than your old ass would like. Last question, how do we solve this thing

Argument for: 

  • It’s a bunch of lazy-ass do nothings that want to mooch off the system as much as possible. This is just the latest scheme to do so. 
  •  It shouldn’t. Millennials have every right to pay exorbitant amounts of money to be able to ride their electric scooter to their homemade candle shop while wearing a scarf with a t-shirt from a band “you’ve probably never heard of”. And who are you to take that away from them!? 
  •  Whoa man, that’s really harshing the vibe. Gentrifiers aren’t so much “displacing” people, as they are letting them spread their wings and fly out into the world. 
  •  If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times. Poor people hate homeowners. They’re just looking at you with their freedom to move at any time. Trying to snatch your mortgage right from under you. 
  •  Ya it’s kind of a double standard, but hey, don’t hate the player, hate the game fam. 
  •  Seems like it will work itself out. 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

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Argument Against 

  • These people are having their lives uprooted for the sake of vegan bakeries. Is that the type of world you want to live in? Where we care more about pastries than humans?! Why not just put these people right in the oven yourself!? Because that’s what your condemning them to. Ovens. 
  • People shouldn’t have to pick between living in a decent neighborhood and spending their life savings on rent. What’s next, the HOA having mandatory drum circles? Where does this end?! 
  • Burn the Landlords! Burn them ALL!! 
  • Homeowners only see property value go up enough to make a profit if they can afford the inflation of the property taxes you will incur from living in a gentrified area long enough to sell your home. Even with tax abatement programs you will most likely use the profit you made on your home to pay off the back taxes on it.  
  • Just like the government. Robbing peter to pay paul. Like always. 
  • Declaring neighborhoods that are currently being gentrified as untouchable housing markets until suitable housing becomes available. Using the increased tax revenue that the city is getting to do so. Also, Homeownership. Make it easier.  

Sources: 

Key people: 

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Key Movies: 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. In my heart of hearts, I truly believe that Senator Bernie Sanders is the right man to lead this country. Killer Mike, ladies and gentleman. If you are for gentrification I suggest you get a tool belt, contact HGTV and try to work out a deal for yourself. If you want to find a different solution to gentrification, then I suggest you get in touch with the Right to the city and homes for all organizations, and see if there’s anything you can do to help out.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think chain wallets are making a comeback, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

   Top of the show 

Joel pops in. “guys! We got our first bad review!”  

Awesome what does it say?! 

Joel reads review. 

Arguing about being Edge-lords. 

Jeremy tells milo it’s not as easy as just reading stuff.  

Milo decides to be the host(like a Dickhead). 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about a sex worker and a wealthy businessman that fall hard for one another. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about sex work, but mostly we will be quoting pretty woman. We will also be arguing about marriage, and Fashion. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by each of you telling me about a time in your life where you, yourself have felt like a sex worker. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  You guys familiar with the 10th amendment? It is perhaps my favorite amendment. It reads, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” It basically says that the states have every right, individually, to give the federal government the finger. I wanted to start with that because prostitution is a state’s rights issue. My question for you guys is should this be seen as an equality issue and thus fall under the purview of the federal government? 
  •  If you are listening to this than you know I don’t like to skirt around big issues. The biggest issue surrounding sex workers today is the potential for it to cross the line into sex trafficking. Given that we, as we say all the time, are three white guys from the Midwest who don’t know anything. My next question is should we even touch this one?  
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is love is a good basis for marriage
  • One of the problems I personally have with sex work is the perception that people are commodities that can be bought and sold. If paying for sex is normalized, I believe it sends a signal to young people that sex is not something that two or more people who like each other do together, but more like a trip to the post office. That sit right with ya’ll? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is fashion important? Or a social construct
  •  There was a study done between 2003 and 2007 on the economics of sex work shows that sex work can bring in anywhere from $39.9 million to $290 million per state. That’s a shitload! And while that number is very hard to pin down, if it’s anywhere close to that, shouldn’t that be basis alone for exploring the idea as a valid profession? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 

Argument for: 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

Key Movies:  

Argument Against 

Sources: 

Key people: 

Key groups: 

  •  The only people against sex work frame their argument as anti human trafficking. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.”. Jerry Falwell, ladies and gentleman. If you are for sex work being decriminalized then I suggest you get in touch with the sex workers project to see how you can help out. If you want to see sex workers outlawed entirely, then vote for kamala Harris.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think we should raise the drinking age, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about the good ole days, when candy was a penny, and grunge wasn’t considered classic rock. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Nostalgia, this is what a millennials midlife crisis looks like. We will also be arguing about good role models, and then we will put you in a VERY awkward position. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro).  nostalgic memory is. Milo, then joel. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Nostalgia is defined as a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past. It comes from the Greek word for homesickness. This characterization has been eating at me. My first question is that if these memories are happy in nature, why are these feelings of homesickness or longing what we associate them with? Joel 
  •  Nostalgia is often associated with meaningful memories. Clay Routledge wrote a book about his labs experience with nostalgia and what they found was that it is most often triggered by meaninglessness, loneliness, and sadness. Studies show that when people are overwhelmed with existential dread, feelings of nostalgia can increase productivity and help cultivate relationships. Given that, I could see nostalgia as being a sort of defense mechanism that our bodies use to cope with our meaningless existence. That’s not a question, just wanted to put it out there. 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is Batman a good role model
  •  I’ve been reading a little bit about group nostalgia. It is said that experiencing group nostalgia can be a sort of glue that holds a group together. With that logic it would seem that we should all strive for group nostalgia in order to move us all forward together. Do you guys think there’s any downside to group nostalgia? 
  •  It’s no secret, times have changed. The culture now is a lot different from the culture we consider nostalgic. So, let’s play a game. What’s a nostalgic show/movie that would be super problematic nowadays?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Is yoga exercise or just creative standing 
  • Some people report feelings of nostalgia for a particular time period. Some for time periods they weren’t even alive for. As we just mentioned, some movies can try to create a type of historical nostalgia presented as a way to help people kind of cope with their current lives. Do you think that’s ok or should these sad sacks just learn to pick themselves up and move the fuck on with their lives? 
  •  Studies done have shown that music and movies are some of the biggest triggers for nostalgic feelings. What do you guys think is the most nostalgic piece of pop culture for you personally? 
  •   Palette cleanser/segment 
  • In the past 20 years we have went from barely having flip phones, dial up internet, and other incredible advances that contribute to our society in immeasurable ways. So, were the good ole days really that good? 

Argument for: 

  • . Because you’re not doing it right. 
  •  Make America Great Again. 

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Argument Against 

  •   Clay Routledge is the authority on this matter. He theorizes that these feelings may actually be associated with a negative time in your life and we use nostalgia as a sort of defense mechanism against that trauma.  
  • Ace Ventura, pet detective. You have a problem with transgender people, Jim? 
  • although textual analysis showed the nostalgic memory descriptions were more positive, across all condition’s positivity was no indicator of intention to volunteer 
  •  In nostalgic moments, each memory becomes magnified, not only in terms of depth of meaning, but also of emotional experience. There is generally a longing to go back to these past experiences with a desire to hold each moment close and not let it go. 
  •  The only good memories are dead ones. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* me I think the only good memory is a dead one. I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. I don’t do nostalgia. It just doesn’t occur to me. I’m living in the moment, and I don’t have that gene. Harrison Ford, ladies and gentleman. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who put the toilet roll under rather than over, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments and if you like the show please leave us a rating and review on itunes. We hope to disagree with you soon

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about three people with a beginners grasp on the English language, discussing topics that require a doctorate in philosophy. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about The United States Prison system, and by the end hopefully we won’t be a part of it. We will also be arguing about a well-balanced breakfast, and Nickelback. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley. (Joel intro). And our special guest Serj Tankian of SOAD Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on prisons, and which people walking the street today, you would most like to see there. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  My first question is for Joel, our resident arguer that loves to bring up the fact that the US leads the world in incarcerated prisoners. According to the most recent data just over 600k people are sent to prison each year. My question is, do you think we rely on incarceration too much? joel 
  •  Here’s a fun fact that may surprise you. Most people enter prisons poor. The median income of recent prisoners is usually around $10,000 per year. And in 49 states, inmates are charged for the costs of their own incarceration. That means, when you are released from prison, there is a bill waiting for you. In some states failure to pay these bills is the number one reason for incarceration. The reason I mention it is because I’m wondering if you guys think that’s part of their debt to society, or if time served should also mean debt served. milo 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is cereal soup
  •  In May of 2014 the federal bureau of prisons changed the program policy regarding mental health among the inmates. We here at Valid Arguments had previously reported that all inmates receive mental health when needed. Turns out that was false. Approximately 20-40% were classified as needing regular mental care. After the change in 2014, the scope of that treatment was narrowed down to just 3% of inmates. So, this is a simple question, did the new policy work? -joel 
  •  One of the bigger issues I wanted to touch on was the brutality of our prison system. It’s not brutal in the way that like a third world country is where the prison itself is brutal. Here in America we are brutal to each other. Our indifference to the violent conditions aside, do you guys think if the prisons were nicer, that the inmates would be nicer
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Going along with our prison theme. What’s the worst form of torture
  • Arguably the single biggest issue in our prison system today is Overpopulation. Over half of our nations prison systems are at double capacity or more. This issue obviously leads to more violence, territory disputes, and I don’t know if you guys know this, but beds are actually a part of the prison economy with people trading smokes and other valuables in order to sleep in a bed for the night. My question in all this is, do you guys think a bed is a right? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 
  •  It’s estimated that every incarcerated worker there saves taxpayers $5,000 and generates around 50 million in revenue per state with the help of inmate labor programs, state funding, and various investments from companies that benefit from cheap labor. With this sort of offender funded business model, my last question for you guys is. Y’all wanna buy a prison

Argument for: 

  •  They are in prison because they’re not nice. They could be held in the Taj mahal and there would still be riots and cruelty.  
  •  There’s plenty of people who aren’t in prison that don’t have beds. I say it’s not a right if you have to buy it. With money.  
  •  fuck ya, those things make a ton of money! And they help a good cause…. keeping criminals off the whatnot. 

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  •   The American criminal justice system holds almost 2.3 million people in 1,719 state prisons, 109 federal prisons, 1,772 juvenile correctional facilities, 3,163 local jails, and 80 Indian Country jails as well as in military prisons, immigration detention facilities, civil commitment centers, state psychiatric hospitals, and prisons in the U.S. territories. That’s way too many numbers for the answer to be no. 
  •  Today, you cannot go to prison for failing to pay for a “civil debt” like a credit card, loan, or hospital bill. You can, however, be forced to go to jail if you don’t pay your taxes or child support. … In that way, if you fail to pay these fines, you may go to jail. And that’s wrong. 
  •  although the Bureau of Prisons changed its rules, officials did not add the staffing or resources needed to implement them, creating an incentive for employees to downgrade inmates to lower care levels because at the lowest levels of care they have access to more mental health drugs rather than psychology. Basically, they doubled the workload and kept the resources the same.  
  •  Not having a bed can lead to mental disorders, restless leg syndome, back problems, and other health issues. Not to mention being in a crowded prison and fighting over beds can lead to territory disputes and violence over something as simple as a bed. It may not be a right, but it seems like a simple solution to a lot of problems. That’s probably why so many people have them.  
  •  Fuuuuuuuck no I don’t want to contribute to the current system which only serves to create more criminals within our society. Fuck outta here. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Money will determine whether the accused goes to prison or walks out of the courtroom a free man. Johnny Cochran ladies and gentleman. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think it’s ok for bicyclists to ignore traffic lights, then please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments and if you like the show please leave us a rating and review on iTunes. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Now on our last episode we had a lot of fun facts about animals in cages. So I thought It would be good if we had some fun facts about people in cages on this episode. Unfortunately, this is a pretty bleak subject so I think I’m going to go with fun things to do in prison!  

Read books. 

 work on writing your novel 

 Workout 

Run 

Develop a hobby. 

talk 

make an escape plan 

pretend to be someone else 

 guess people’s crimes 

 imagine what the worlds like on the outside.  

Prison gets a bum rap. 

Companies that use prison labor 

  • Victorias Secret – inmates usually made about 45 cents per garment sewn together. 
  • Whole foods – sells stuff gotten from other companies that use prison labor 
  • Walmart – contracts companies that use prison labor to dispose of returns and excess inventory. 
  • Microsoft – uses prisoners to package software and accessories. 
  • Starbucks – uses inmates to package in store items. 
  • BP – remember that oil spill? Prisoners cleaned it up. 
  • Nintendo – the sub-contractor that packages game boys use prison labor 
  • AT&T & Verizon use prison labor for their call centers 
  • Target – uses suppliers that keep their prices low through prison labor 
  • Dell – recycled pc’s. Were forced to stop when prisoners were exposed to toxins. 
  • Eddie Bauer – made cheap clothes 
  • Boeing – used sub-contractor that cuts airplane parts with prisoners to undercut unions 
  • Macy’s – same as the other clothing companies 
  • Wendy’s – prisoners process Wendy’s meat.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is Valid Arguments. A show about tom cruises secret family. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about guns, and how can we make them seem less cool?! We will also be arguing about Willy Wonka, and as always, the clown college that is our government.  Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by both of you speaking very clearly into the mic and telling us how many and which guns you own. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  According to the FBI in 2016 over 11,000 murders were carried out with firearms. Over 60% were carried out with handguns. With this kind of gross over representation from handguns I have to ask. What’s the coolest handgun bullet? 
  •   the CDC says Firearm deaths are the third leading cause of deaths among children. Gun advocates argue that the reason we have so many firearms deaths in this country is because poor gun education. The NRA’s has a gun education program for children, the Eddie eagle program. The slogan and main point that is driven home in this children’s cartoon clearly states that when faced with a gun, children should first stop, don’t touch, run away, and tell a grown up. What more do you expect? Direct towards milo 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Do you think oom-pah Loompas were slaves or union workers
  •  There’s been a lot of talk about the AR-15 Assault rifle. Today they prefer to be called modern sporting rifles. When Assault rifles were banned in 1994, the NRA and Ronald Reagan supported this legislation. How then can we reconcile that with our current culture where 1-2 million modern sporting rifles exist in mass circulation? – milo 
  •  There are still several states that allow title II and title III weapons. This includes, among other things, 37mm grenade launchers, and flame throwers. Joel recently told me that I can legally buy a silencer. I have to say that this is really, really cool. My question is what reasonable use do you guys think there is for guns like these?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should CSpan and other political broadcasts be required to be more entertaining? – milo 
  •  We’ve talked a lot about gun deaths and what types of guns should be restricted. Are there any guns that are illegal that you would like to see legalized? 
  • Recently there has been a lot of gun massacres in the US. These tragedies by and large were carried out by known mentally unstable people. There are those that say having a database of firearm owners would help identify those individuals and disarm them before they have a chance to massacre innocent people. Do you think the US government should have a centralized database of the guns and their owners? 
  •  Argument for: 
  •  The RIP bullets. You should have the freedom to fragment your target into as many pieces as you wish. Teflon coated cop killers are a close second.  
  •  Newman the new Caledonian owlet-nightjar. Chris the cornish hen? Greg the galaukus winged gull? Greggory the great white fronted goose. Gun education is very important. It should be taught from baby books all the way up to seniors in high school. 
  • union 
  •  The practical application for an ar 15 is protection from tyranny. It’s a lot harder to control a population when they do not have any real means to deny an occupying power. Whether foreign or domestic. 
  • Look the more types of guns we have the better. The more lethal the American population the less susceptible to invasion we will be. All Armies fear partisan action. When a citizen is fighting on his home ground, he is deadlier. He is 1) Protecting his home 2) Knows the Lay of the land 3) Can easily blend into the area. 
  •  I’d like to see a civilian version of a Bradley or a Sherman. I think anything the military can have, we should have a civilian version of. Can’t let them get too far ahead of us. Every home should get a nuke if possible. 
  •  If there’s a database then they can find you. If they can find you, they can take your guns and leave you helpless

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  • Wayne Lapierre, executive vice president and chief executive officer of the National Rifle Association.  
  •  Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, a 300,000-member gun rights organization. 
  •  Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., presidential candidate and a strong gun rights supporter who vowed, “We will not let the liberals tread on the Second Amendment! 
  •  Dudley Brown, executive director of the National Association for Gun Rights, which he calls the “no compromise” gun lobby. 
  • Alex Jones, radio host and head of Infowars.com 

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Argument Against 

  •   The Jihawg bullet is tipped with paint that has pork blood in it. Made for killing muslims and making them “harram” or unclean so they are not able to go to heaven. 
  •  I mean what more do you need Woody the Woodpecker? terry the toucan? Gary the goose? Petey the Parrot? Sandy the San Clemente Loggerhead Shrike? Children are heathens. Educating them on gun safety does not serve to protect them anymore than educating a bird on glass windows would protect them from flying their dumb asses into them. 
  • slaves 
  •  Jim Sullivan one of the designers of the AR15 has since said that he does see any civilian application for the gun. I would wager he knows more than yo country ass.  
  •  No due to the fact that no foreign power having even the remotest chance of even putting troops on our soil, also could exist economically without our economic system in place, there is also the fact that the U.S. military is unimaginably superior than that of any other country, and very likely more than the top 9 other countries combined. Furthermore, there is the nuclear deterrent that must be considered, as well as the huge logistical undertaking that it would involve in order to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops to U.S. lands and then sustain them for any extended period of time. In other words, it would be the greatest military undertaking in history, and it would take a military force that simply does not exist in the world today. 
  • Fuck you of course not. More guns need to be restricted. It’s not like we could all trade in our AR15’s for something equally as cool……I mean dangerous. 
  •  A centralized database would help identify individuals that could potentially be a danger to themselves and the people around them. It is essential to helping curb the recent outbreak of tragedies in this country 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. The winner of tonight’s argument said “The Second Amendment isn’t there for duck hunting, it’s there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs… 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms! The Alex Jones ladies and gentleman. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think you aren’t naked if you have socks on, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that makes cock fighting seem a little more humane. I’m Jeremy Horton and, Today were going to be talking about video games, and which ones are for noobs.  We will also be arguing about our education system, and why the fun police are always ruining our good time.  Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now for this episode we are going to be arguing on behalf of our favorite consoles, mine being the all-powerful Xbox. I want to get your initial takes on your own game systems.  

Questions I will ask: 

  • So, the big question on everyone’s mind is one that I’m not going to skirt around for the entire episode and have this tension the whole time. Let’s just get it out of the way. Are video games good for you
  •  There’s been a lot of talk about what effect video games have on our youth. Which video game do you guys think is the violentest
  • Palette cleanser/segment – is homeschooling better than public schooling? 
  • What’s your favorite classic video game?  
  •  One thing I’ve noticed in my time of playing video games is how scantily clad the women are. I mean come on; how would the women of soul caliber even begin to fight in those balloon cocoons? Those boulder holders wouldn’t keep a pebble in place. I can’t seem to find any games with the same sexualization of men. So, my question is, why are video games so homophobic
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should we raise the BAC limit on breathalyzer tests? 
  • Did you guys play the new God of War? It won best art and graphics in 2018. I personally loved it. Do you guys think video games can be considered an art form? 
  •  I personally find video games soothing in a way. After a long day of work, there’s nothing I like more than sitting down and becoming the god that is master chief in the incomparable halo 5 guardians. But that’s us young guys. My question is what video games do you guys think most old people play to relax these days? (on Xbox)? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – some fuckin thing. 
  • Which video game is destined to replace our real lives?  

Argument for: 

  •  Video games are the best thing for you. They can increase your hand eye coordination. They even cure diseases? Got lazy eye? Play some video games and stop looking like a damn chameleon. 
  • Gears of war man. What’s more metal than sawing a dude in half with a chainsaw gun? 
  •  Halo one bruh, all the way.  
  •  What do you think jax should be coming out in assless chaps or something? You fuckin sausage and beans lovin faaaaaaaaaaaag. 
  •  Pfffffftt no. Old people can’t even work a phone. How do you expect them to be able to map the intricacies of an RPG such as dragons dogma for xbox one? 
  •  Vr chat 

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Argument Against 

  •   I guess it depends on your definition of bad? Are they bad if they cause violence? Are they bad if they cause anti-social behavior? I think the more time you spend playing video games, the less time you’re spending in the real world. Kids should be forming real relationships in the real world. Not fake relationships with sweeter graphics.  
  • I would say most are violent. Especially shooter games…and fighter games, and role-playing games, and come to think of it I don’t like how much the L shape in Tetris looks like a gun. 
  •  It’s hard to pick a favorite bringer of the apocalypse. Death I suppose would be the obvious choice. I suppose a case could be made for famine.  but if I have to pick, Im kind of a fan of Gallaga 
  •  it is a serious problem. Just as video games are a problem. The low brow cheap titilation is only a part of the video game lifestyle because who they are marketing to is mainly lonely nerdy men with no social skills.  
  •  I think you need to listen to your elders young one. How many video games did they play growing up? None, and you know what that got them? An enormous amount of good character and lifelong relationships based on mutual suffering and technological ignorance.  
  •  All of them are raping our childrens ability to communicate in a social setting. They will replace our lives over my dead body. Which will likely last another 10-15 years. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. The winner of tonight’s argument once said “My parents said that sitting at home playing video games all day won’t bring you anywhere in life”. PewDiePie ladies and gentleman. His current net worth is somewhere around 30 million. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think Die Hard is a Christmas movie, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Discussing what the episode is going to be about.  

  • The Patriarchy, is it really that bad? 
  • The Matriarchy, what’s really going on? 
  • Which came first, Hot Topic or goth kids? 
  • Is being a Vegan hereditary? 
  • Should cloning be legalized?’ 
  • Which animals is ok to test drugs on? 
  • Should we require college kids to wear chastity belts? 
  • Microsoft or apple. Which is the dark side? 

Joel busts in. Hey guys, I got some stuff to tell ya.  

What kind of stuff joel? 

Scientology!!!! 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about two PC’s and one OT gang stalking some SP’s. I’m Jeremy Horton, and today were going to be talking about a subject I just learned about 5 minutes ago, scientology! We will also be arguing about drug testing animals, and we’ll explore our fight or flight responses.  Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on scientology and your current thetan levels. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Is it true that L Ron Hubbard is expected to return and that staff members maintain a mansion for him in a constant state of readiness? Joel (milo counter) 
  •  Scientology is said to still have about 20-30,000 active members worldwide. With their numbers dwindling, do you guys think scientology still has the pull and influence that they had in their heyday? Milo (Joel counter) 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Which animals is ok to test drugs on? – Jerm, Milo, Joel 
  •  Scientology has a disconnection policy that forces you to distance yourself from so called “suppressive persons” SP’s for short. David Miscavige even disconnected from his own father. Is this cult activity and if not, why not? Jerm (Milo counter)  
  •  When it comes to auditing, there is 29 tenants in the auditor’s code. One of which is “I promise to see that any donation received for processing is refunded following the policies of the Claims Verification Board, if the preclear is dissatisfied and demands it within three months after the processing, the only condition being that he may not again be processed or trained”.  The reason I bring that up is that any money given to the church is classified as a donation by the I.R.S. this means they are not technically payments and they don’t technically have to pay back shit. Do you think that’s shady behavior for a church? – Joel (Milo counter) 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – would you rather fight a bear or a swarm of hornets 
  •  I want to talk now about the authoritarian arm of Scientology. The Guardian’s Office was renamed the “Office of Special Affairs” by the new church leadership in the mid-1980s. They are tasked with, among other things handling litigation, media relations, and covert data collection. Whatduya make of that? Milo (Joel counter) 
  • People have criticized the Church’s aggressive attitude in dealing with its perceived enemies and critics, allegations of mistreatment of members, and predatory financial practices. Do you think there is still a draw to scientology, even with people kind of “know what they’re getting into.” so to speak? (un-brainwash joel for God, the Podcast, and America!!!) 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Hamms 

Argument for: 

  • The mansion is called Bonnie View.  It’s preserved as a heritage site and is the express property of the church of spiritual technology. We maintain that LRH may come back or may not just as we all may. 
  • Do you mean our work with elderly outreach? And our classes on what your relationship is to your body as well as your mind—and why you have the capacity to influence your own health. That sounds pretty powerful to me. 
  •  Hellz ya it’s cult activity! What’s not cultic about cutting you off from your friends and family? Fortunately, that’s not what we do. We simply encourage people that associate with SP’s to resolve this situation, and either “handle” the other person’s antagonism with true data about Scientology and the Church or, as a last resort, when all attempts to handle have failed, one “disconnects” from or stops communicating with the person. 
  •  Our return policy is clearly stated on our website.  
  •  If you’re talking about our special affairs office that deals with raising awareness of drugs in the inner city, then guilty as charged! If you’re talking about our special theory and training courses in our Saint Hill facility, then you don’t have a warrant. 
  •   People are still signing up for scientology because It’s better than any self-help book you could possibly read. While psychology is primarily the study of observing responses to stimuli and provides no means of producing actual improvement, Scientology goes further and demands improvement from the PC. 

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  •  Various scientology websites. Since it is a religion, I assume they are all created and wholly endorsed by the church of scientology. According to WikiLeaks there are currently 2,070 of these websites. 

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  • Scientology, duh. 

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Argument Against 

  • The Sea Org motto is “Revenumus”, meaning “we come back”. Traditionally after a 21-year leave of absence, meaning that Ron was due back in 2007. Mark Headley, A former member of the church explained in an interview that he has had conversations with David Miscavage about this and the release dates for OT9 and OT10. They will be released in theaters starring TC. 
  •    While scientology’s numbers are small those ranks include several influential Hollywood figures. Their position is unique to other cults in that the members hold huge sway over the content that the general population observe. 
  •  to resolve this situation, one either “handles” the other person’s antagonism with true data about Scientology and the Church or, as a last resort, when all attempts to handle have failed, one “disconnects” from or stops communicating with the person. 
  •  Garry Scarff has said that he used to be an OSA operative. He in a sworn deposition taken between July and August 1993 and submitted in Church of Scientology International vs. Steven Fishman and Uwe Geertz, Scarff testified, “…I was directed, one, to go to Chicago, Illinois and to murder Cynthia Kisser, Cynthia Kisser being the Executive Director of the Cult Awareness Network. These are rich people with a loose sense of reality. Dangerous. People.  
  •  It’s similar to psychology in that it starts with the auditing session and unburdening yourself. But then has the potential to blackmail you with that information due to all sessions being recorded. Then they gradually cut you off from everyone you know, and slowly brainwash you into submission. Anyone who joins in this day and age has a mental illness. 

Sources: 

  • Various scientology websites. Since it is a religion, I assume they are all created and wholly endorsed by the church of scientology. According to WikiLeaks there are currently 2,070 of these websites.   
  • https://www.exscn.net/content/view/171/97/index.html – ex scientologist talking about the OSA 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. We all know who the only winner ever in scientology is so let me take it straight from the horse’s mouth. “I’ll not always be here on guard. The stars twinkle in the Milky Way and the wind sighs for songs across the empty fields of a planet a Galaxy away. You won’t always be here. But before you go, whisper this to your sons and their sons – “The work was free. Keep it so.” He said that at the end of a Clearing Procedure, 1957. Someone paid for that session. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who put pineapple on pizza, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments. We hope to disagree with you soon