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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that feels like it gives you two extra kidneys. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about The Minimum wage! We will also be arguing about twerking and hitchhiking. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Let’s do some basic math. Let’s say we’re raising the minimum wage by 5 dollars. the cost of employing someone goes up by about $5 per human right? So, if I run a coffee shop with 10 employees working 8-hour days, my cost of doing business per hour just went up $50 per hour or $400 per day. Now the average coffee shop makes an average of 2.5% profit margin so lets be generous and say I sell a $5 cup of coffee. I’m still only making 15 cents per. Which means I have to sell an additional 2,800 cups of coffee to make up the difference. That’s a clearly an unreasonable amount of growth to expect from anyone who isn’t Starbucks, so how on earth could anyone say that raising minimum wage wouldn’t result in price increases? 
  • We are now going to tackle the myth that minimum wage reduces poverty. The congressional budget office examined how increasing the federal minimum wage to $10, $12, and $15 per hour by 2025 would affect employment and family income. They found that raising it to that $15 mark would result in 1.3 million jobless folks and lose overall 3.8 Mileys from the workforce. The amount of people lifted out of poverty by this is around 1.3 mil. However, raising it to the $10 mark would lift about 3.5 Mileys out of poverty and have negligible changes to the amount of people in poverty. My next question is how many people are you willing to sacrifice, and can you tell me their names? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – should twerking be a nationally recognized sport? 
  • I want to share with you a statistic that will shock you! (DUH DUH DUH!) Minimum wage has not kept up with inflation. (duh duh duh!). I’ll say it again, minimum wage has not kept up with inflation. The inflation debate is one I’m particularly interested in because it pits two factors against each other. Those factors are wage growth and productivity. See if the minimum wage were to have kept up with normal wage growth it would be somewhere around $11.62. However, if it rose based on Americans productivity then it would be somewhere around $20. Currently we rank 5th in the world for most productive workers only coming in behind bullshit euro trash countries with like 500 people in them. Do you guys know what that means?  
  • The employment policies institute recently surveyed 166 economists on the subject of raising the minimum wage. They all overwhelmingly opposed it. One of the reasons was that empirical evidence found that teens and youths exposed to higher minimum wages have lower wages and earnings when they are in their late twenties, consistent with reduced skill acquisition. That means raising the minimum wage makes it harder for low skilled young people to find their way to a university to increase their skill and by proxy their pay level. Why do you guys think that is? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – When is ok to pick up a hitchhiker 
  • We’re in a new age of business wouldn’t you guys say? The companies of the past have gone away and the new ones are constantly evolving to keep up with the youngins. I want to talk about a small business that recently said that it would have to close the doors to half their facilities if minimum wage were raised to $15. Vice president of this salt of the earth company said doubling the minimum wage would be catastrophic to his business and is unsustainable. Yes, we often forget about the ma and pa businesses like white castle that would be vastly displaced by the minimum wage being increased. So, is the businesses at fault for not adapting to a changing environment, or is this communist China? 
  • Ok guys. I know I fuck around a lot we these questions but we are going to end on something serious today. And I already know what you’re going to say so I’m just going to get it out of the way and then we can move on. Recently Illinois, California, and 5 other states hopped on the bad idea train that is raising the minimum wage, and that sparked a debate across the country. Among the results of that debate we found out that 75% of Americans support raising the minimum wage. 6% of economists support raising the minimum wage. And 100% of business owners will hire less workers and focus more on Automation. Last question, WHY DO YOU WANT THE ROBOTS TO TAKE MY JOB!? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • .how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • .Help the poor  
  •  Help the poor 
  •  Help the poor 
  •  Help the poor 
  •  Help the poor 
  •  Help the poor 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

  •  Raise the minimum wage 
  •  Fight for 15 
  •  Action Now 

Key people: 

  • Penny Pritzker  
  •  Karl Marx 
  •  Bernie Sanders 
  •  Vladimir Lenin 
  • Alan Greenspan 

Key Movies:  

  •  Wage crisis 
  •  We the Economy 
  •  Waging a living 
  • Life on Minimum wage 

Argument Against 

  • .Kill the poor 
  • . Kill the poor 
  • . Kill the poor 
  • Kill the poor 
  • Kill the poor 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Tom Harkin 
  •  Paul Krugman 
  •  Joseph stiglitz. 
  •   

Key groups: 

  •  Rebuild America 
  •  Economist intelligence unit 
  •  Global Economics group 
  • The Rothchild Family 

Key Movies: 

  •  Inequality for all 
  •  Hourly America 
  •  Bottom Dollar 
  •  Something Ventured 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. The real minimum wage is zero. Thomas Sowell, ladies and gentleman. If you are for raising the minimum wage then I suggest you get in touch with the fight for $15 organization and see how you can help out. If you want minimum wage kept the same or outlawed entirely, then I suggest you try to revive the tea party movement. Good luck. If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as sasquatch enthusiasts, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is on the website ValidArguments.org. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us as well. and please join us in two weeks when we’ll have more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that will save your everlasting soul, for the low low price of $6.66. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Mega churches! We will also be arguing about History and aliens. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first 1lets have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. It basically means that what you put out into the universe is what you’ll get back. I want to start there because that verse is the mantra of most motivational speakers, yoga instructors, and Instagram influencers. And it’s beautifully vague. Which is why it’s the perfect verse to describe Kenneth Copeland. He is best known for preaching his version of the gospel dubbed the prosperity gospel. He ignores all the bad parts and skips right to the saving. He’s second best known for tax evasion, reckless use of church funds, being skeptical about Vaccines, and telling his followers that they would be guilty of murder! If they did not vote for Trump. my first question is, would he get a pass on all this if he wasn’t 2,000 years old? 
  • as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. I love that verse. It comes from Colossians 3 12. it’s about clothing yourself with the gospel and goes on to relate it to how we treat each other. Beautiful. But I want to talk about another kind of clothing. I think at this point we’ve all heard of the Instagram account preachersnsneakers. They post pictures of megachurch pastors next to the price tags of their clothing. This was eye opening to me. To see mega bro Chad Veach sporting a 2k laptop bag and $800 pants is a little unnerving. So, I have to ask is wearing expensive clothes as a mega church pastor unwise? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Did humans and dinosaurs live at the same time? 
  • Alright. Let’s talk about Joel Osteen. This man is the pastor of the largest mega church in America, Lakewood church. He’s the closest thing Christians have to a celebrity with the exception of Kirk Cameron. He even has celebrities like Kanye, Mariah Carey, and Orpah, attending and performing at his church. The church seats almost 17k people and is attended by approximately 52k people weekly. There really isn’t a whole lot of bad I can say about Pastor Osteen So let’s attack his greed.  He reportedly does not take a salary from Lakewood of which he is entitled to 200k. He makes all his money from the sale of his books which have sold over 8.5 million copies. the church has an annual budget of 90 million. It spends $31.7 million on its weekly services and programs, $6.7 on the church’s Night of Hope events, and $25.1 million on its television ministry. $11.5 million on administration, and another $11.9 million for fundraising. And the remaining $1.2 million was spent on mission and outreach. That 1.2 is still pretty significant as the only organizations that beat that are the united way, salvation army, st Jude, and the catholic church. So, my next question for you guys, how much money should Joel Osteen make? I know it’s too much, just give me a number. 
  • let’s take a break from mega church pastors specifically talk about the don of the Christian mafia, Pat Robertson. You may know him from his show the 700 club, but he owns several media companies that all are blatantly pushing a specific agenda. Robertson’s controversial comments include blaming gay people for hurricanes and other natural disasters, claiming Haitians worship the devil, and Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians. He also owns about 1bn in assets, mostly in the media sector. That’s troubling to me because the rhetoric spewed out of his ancient mouth hole is for the most part how the world views all Christians. Maybe this is a leap but I think most of the Christian world would find comments like that incendiary. Do you guys think Pat Robertson’s comments are incendiary or are they pretty on point? Favorite incendiary quote. 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – If aliens came back, would we believe them? 
  • We’ve talked a lot about money and personal branding of mega church pastors, so now let me tell you a story about Pastor John Lee bishop. Pastor Bishop runs living hope church in Vancouver WA. They run the church out of what used to be a Kmart, and it’s home to some 8,000 people. He was recently arrested trying to smuggle 280lbs. of marijuana across the Mexico border for the cartel. His son dealt heroin and meth out of the church to congregants, and his hero is the late Billy Graham. My next question, are mega church pastors taking the whole “cool pastor” thing too far? 
  • My last question is not about mega churches but about Christianity specifically. This is the book of Genisis, Chapter 6 verses 1-4. When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the Sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. It’s believed that the sons of god were a different sect of Adam and Eves children. But some Ancient Astronaut theorist Think the Sons of God may have been visitors from another planet. In the book of Enoch which is considered apocryphal by the Christian church Genesis 6 is expanded to say that the sons of god are a group of 200 angels called the watchers that bred with humans and helped them gain comprehension of modern living techniques. This angered God, he warned Noah, and we all know the rest. Honestly, doesn’t that make much more sense then There were people, Then God flooded the place? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this? 

Argument for: 

  • . Repent the end is near! 
  •  Repent the end is near! 
  •  Repent the end is near! 
  •  Repent the end is near! 
  •  Repent the end is near! 
  •  Repent the end is near! 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

  •  Kenneth copeland 
  •  Pat Robertson 
  •  Benny Hinn 
  •  Joel Osteen 
  • Creflo Dollar 

Key Movies:  

  •  risen 
  •  Believe me 
  •  Gods not dead 
  • Netflix’s various renditions of biblical books. 

Argument Against 

  • .burn the preacher! 
  • . burn the preacher! 
  • . burn the preacher! 
  • . burn the preacher! 
  • . burn the preacher! 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Bill Mahr 
  •  Richard Dawkins 
  •  Sam Harris 
  •  Michael Martin 

Key groups: 

  •  American Athiests 
  •  American association for the advancement of athieism 
  •  American humanist association 
  • Association of athiests and freethinkers. 

Key Movies: 

  •  religulous 
  •  The unbelievers 
  •  Jesus camp 
  •  Prophets prey 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. Is mac and cheese a black thing? Pat Robertson, ladies and gentleman. If you are for Mega church then I suggest you get in touch with your local church to see how you can help out. If you want Mega churches outlawed entirely, then I suggest you also get in touch with them, and ask em what they’re up to.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as Bone spurs, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is on the website ValidArguments.org. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us as well. and please join us in two weeks for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that constantly reminds you. Jefferey Epstein didn’t kill himself. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Aliens! We will also be arguing about Vampires, and Nursery rhymes. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Let’s start with what we know. They come from space. They have to get here somehow. I’m talking about UFOs. The pentagon classifies alien spacecrafts as unexplained aerial phenomena. James Oberg author of many up his own ass party pooper books says “Lots of people are active in the air and don’t want others to know about it. They are happy to lurk unrecognized in the noise, or even to stir it up as camouflage.”. That douchebag brings up a good point. How do we know that ufo’s aren’t just a product of a foreign government, or even a private citizen?  
  •  I want to spend the first couple of questions giving the other side of this debate because I have such a rock-hard boner about aliens but let’s talk about why it is impossible for aliens to exist. That’s right, I said it. Aliens do not exist. There’s even someone who agrees with me. Nick Longrich, a lecturer in paleontology and evolutionary biology at the University of Bath. He’s said that the evolution of intelligent life is so spectacularly unlikely it is more likely to have happened once than several times throughout the universe. His theory holds some weight. Human intelligence didn’t evolve on this planet for 4.5 billion years. The chances are astronomical that the origin of life, photosynthesis, complex cells, sex, complex animals, skeletons and intelligence itself could all happen within a planet’s lifetime. So why should I believe I’m not the most special creation in existence? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Can a Vampire get AIDS from sucking blood? 
  •  I want to talk about another “expert” in the field of totally bat shit crazy. Barbara Lamb. In her movie the reality of ET’s/human hybrids, she details the different races of aliens in the universe. She outlines several including Blue Octurians, Nords, Pleadian, Reptilians, Mantis beings, ethereal beings, the list goes on. She also says an EMF will wipe us all out and the aliens are here to save us from ourselves. They are doing that by taking our seed to make alien babies with. Am I missing something here or what? I feel like that picture is incomplete. 
  •  One word, NASA. What are they hiding!? I want to bring to your attention, The Black Knight. Not Martin Lawrence, the other one. The one that NASA incorrectly classified as space debris in an attempt to cover up a 13000-year-old satellite of extraterrestrial origin that is orbiting our planet right now! Throughout history the black knight has been a part of the smoking gun that incriminates the world’s elite in their cover up of the truth! Even Nikola Tesla has evidence of it! So, what do you guys think of this clearly shady organization? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Which nursery rhyme has the darkest back story? 
  •  It’s time for my favorite part of the episode. THE GOVERNMENT!!!!! David Icke has said himself that he thinks the government is comprised of reptilian entities that have infiltrated the government to control our every thought! Among the reptile politicians are Queen Elizabeth, George W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, Bill and Hillary Clinton and Bob Hope. My question is a simple one. Why? What’s the point?  
  •  One thing I find interesting is mass hallucination. Let me tell you all about the should be infamous project blue book. Project Blue book was the government’s official plan to determine if Ufo’s are real and if they pose a threat to national security. They examined countless sightings and determined that all we’re easily explained misinterpretations. People’s eyes deceived them. Just like flat earthers. My question is how are ufo enthusiasts any better than flat earthers? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • How do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • The Truth is out there  
  •  The Truth is out there 
  • The Truth is out there 
  • The Truth is out there 
  •  The Truth is out there 
  •  The Truth is out there 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

Key Movies:  

Argument Against 

  • We are alone in the universe! 
  • We are alone in the universe! 
  • We are alone in the universe! 
  • We are alone in the universe! 
  • We are alone in the universe! 
  • We are alone in the universe! 

Sources: 

Key people: 

Key groups: 

Key Movies: 

  •  A fire in the Sky 
  •  Iron Sky: The Coming Race 
  •  Close Encounters of the Third Kind 
  •  The X-files 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. I don’t edit information, I follow it. David Icke, ladies and gentleman. If you are for alien existence then I suggest you get in touch with the pro alien organization in your area to see how you can help out. If you want to live with the rest of us here in reality, then live every day like you are the most special being on the planet. Because it is a statistical impossibility that you are here.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as our reptilian overlords, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is on the website ValidArguments.org. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us as well. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about three Phallicious dudes talking about phallic symbols. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Bees! We will also be arguing about eggs and possibly chickens, and we’ll explore our fight or flight responses. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • how did this start? In 2006 there was a hubbub about a bunch of bees disappearing. A false bill of goods was sold to us. the pollination activity from bees is worth about $20 billion a year. But there is a study by the national academy of scientist’s blah blah blah, that says that non bees pollinate as much as bees can. I’m sure your wondering right now what other insects could possibly pollinate? Luckily, I have a list flies, beetles, moths, butterflies, wasps, ants, birds, and bats, and plenty of others. So why do I care about the bees?! Why shouldn’t I say fuck bees all together?! 
  •  Most Beekeepers and bee advocates would have you believe not only that bees are the only pollinators in the world, but that honeys are bees are the most important/only bee in existence. Luckily there’s someone like me spittin truth about what’s really goin on. There’s tons of bees! There’s almost 4,000 types of bees, and all of them together only make up about 30% of our actual pollinators. and when it comes to honey bees, they aren’t even that important. The only reason they’re even going extinct is because those dipshits in california can’t get enough almonds! So you answer me this, WHO NEEDS THAT MANY ALMONDS!? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Should all drugs be legalized? 
  •  Bees are die from a combination of factors. Currently bees are dying out from varroa mites, new diseases, inadequate nutrition, and as I’ve said, almonds. Currently the loss rate has steadily declined since the 2008 crisis and many countries even show a net positive depending on the year. So my next question. At what point do we start comparing bee keepers complaining about dead bees to hellfire preachers with cardboard signs, yelling on the street about how the end is near? 
  •  Let’s talk about honey. Honey is being adulterated! In 2013  US customs charged Five people and two honey-processing companies with dumping honey imports from China, including some that were (their words) adulterated. They were adulterated specifically with the antibiotic chloramphenicol in an operation dubbed Project Honeygate. Chloraphenicol is used to treat meningitis, plague, cholera, and typhoid fever. This was technically the largest food fraud case in history at the time. So why don’t I give a shit about the largest food fraud case in history? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should the death penalty be abolished? 
  •  .One of the biggest things that piss me off about honey bees when people talk about saving them is the glaring fact that they are not from our ecosystem. Settlers brought them here right before slaughtering countless natives. I think my question is obvious at this point. Why did the early colonizers like almonds so much? 
  •  .We all know that bees die from a number of factors, some human, some not. My next question is about pesticides. In may 2019 as an effort to please hippies, the EPA banned several neonicotinoids that have been proven harmful to bees. It was touted as a big win for both growers and beekeepers alike. In July of 2019 the EPA then canceled their study of decline of bee populations and approved a chemical that is potentially harmful to bees. So it seems the government doesn’t give a shit about bees. Why should I?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • .How do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Bees are people too!  
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 

Sources: 

  •  

Key groups: 

Key people: 

Key Movies:  

  •  Burts buzz 
  •  Queen of the sun 
  •  The last bee keeper 
  • The modest Bee keeper 

Argument Against 

  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro!  

Sources: 

Key people: 

  • Dave Goulson 
  • Paige Embry 
  • Mace Vaughn 
  •   

Key groups: 

Key Movies: 

  • More than Honey  
  •  Vanishing of the bees 
  •  Colony 
  •  Silence of the Bees 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. The only thing I’m afraid of is bees. I don’t like bees. I’m allergic to them. Kobe Bryant, ladies and gentleman. If you are for Bees then I suggest you get in touch with Greenpeace or Bee culture magazine to see how you can help out. If you want bees outlawed entirely, then find your nearest beekeeper and show them this podcast.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who won’t stop bitching about bees, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is on the website, Validarguments.org. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Honey Bees are not native to North America. They were imported by colonists in the 17th century. 

Bees flap their wings over 12000 times a minute

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that’s soon to be replaced with reruns of married with children. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about The Future! We will also be arguing Heart surgery, and colonization. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Let’s start today with a place I’m quite fond of. The Earth. In the last few years, we’ve seen attempts to control the weather as an attempt to weaken possibly catastrophic stormfronts. A lot of conspiracy theorists will tell you we’ve gone even further than that. there has even been an international ban against weaponizing the weather under the Environmental Modification Convention. So, my first question is, do you think there will come a point where we completely control our environment? 
  • Speaking of control over the Earth. Let’s go there. The Government. Drink. The people who deemed it necessary to cloud our lives with so much bullshit that only 46% of people worldwide trust their own leaders. That brings me to the greatest government ever invented. A little country called Estonia. In Estonia the only things the government doesn’t do online is Marriages, Divorces, and real estate transactions. They issue legislation proposals, voting, and even the health of their citizens, is done electronically. So, if that’s not the utopian future we all dream of, what is? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – How much did Dick Cheney pay the guy who donated him a heart? 
  • I bet all of you listening are wondering when we are going to address the big scary elephant in the room. *drum roll* Artificial Intelligence! *crowd goes wild* *drops mic* Who’s ready to talk Terminator?! When is Watson going to link with Siri and make a beautiful bouncing baby overlord to a dystopian race of troll people who used to be called the human race? When is a robot coming to take my job?! 
  • Let’s pretend for Joel’s sake that we don’t completely destroy the earth in the next 30 years. We will still be a bunch of people fighting over who is king turd on shit mountain. Which brings me to a fun military fact. The U.S. Army released a report in 2015 called Visualizing the tactical ground battlefield in the year 2050. In this report they outlined how they believe battlefield technology will progress to the point that automated weapons will make decisions so fast that human operators will become reactionary and have to respond to the machine’s decisions after the fact. Am I weird to find that…. I’m going to say arousing. Slightly terrifying, mostly arousing.  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should we go up or down? (space or ocean) 
  • Let’s turn now from that freedom boner inducing conversation about the military, let’s turn to another kick ass subject. Socio Economic development. A paper published in the Journal of International Development stated a fact and posed a question. The fact is that, most of the world’s poor live in middle‐income countries. This is a shift of course from most of the poor living in the world’s poorest countries, and it has been brought about by fast growth in a number of countries with large populations. This brought about a new geography of global poverty, and begged the question “would you rather have a poor country, or poor people 
  • All this talk about the future has me thinking about the future of entertainment. Over the years we’ve always made entertainment an inclusive and community activity. Today, with streaming content it is easier than ever to experience entertainment alone. The one exception to this rule is MMO’s. Do you guys see this as a last Bastian of keeping aloft a failing social fabric, or will we all be uploaded to the cloud one day?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Cautious optimism  
  • Cautious optimism 
  • Cautious optimism 
  • Cautious optimism 
  • Cautious optimism 
  • Attractive women have more babies 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

  •  American league against war and fascism 
  •  Sierra Club 
  •  The association for Professional Futurists 

Key people: 

  •  Dr. Sheffield (beak guy) 
  •  Nikola Tesla 
  •  Arthur C. Clarke 
  •  Michio Kaku 
  • Ray Kurzwell 

Key Movies:  

  •  Do you Trust this Computer? 
  •  Our Planet 
  •  Last Call at the Oasis 
  • Printing the Legend 
  • H.G. Wells – The time Machine 

Argument Against 

  • Burn it down! 
  • Burn it down! 
  • Burn it down! 
  • Burn it down! 
  • Burn it down! 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Jonathan Franzen 
  •  Ned Ludd 
  •  George Meller 
  •  Alex Jones 

Key groups: 

  •  The Luddites 
  •  The Oath Keepers 
  •  The Patriot Movement 
  • Global Warming Skeptic organizations 

Key Movies: 

  •  Before the flood 
  •  Food Inc. 
  •  The Future of Work and Death 
  •  Human Flow 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. You can’t connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So, you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something – your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life. Steve Jobs, ladies and gentleman. If you are for the future then I suggest you get an education and start planning how to create it. If you want future gone entirely, then get yourself a can of hairspray or some aerosol deodorant and start emptying that shit right into the sky.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as the creator of SPAM, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is Valid Arguments. A show about the world’s best men at work tribute band. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the end of the world! And the different ways that may present itself. We will also be arguing bathroom etiquette, and Netflix. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Let’s start with the most likely scenario that will lead to human extinction. Skynet. Based on all my research into this company, I’d say our only hope is to elect Arnold Schwarzenegger for President. That way he can get to work preventing the robot uprising before it begins. Would you both agree that this is the most likely way we end as a civilization? 
  • Some people would have you believe that a more reasonable extinction event would involve robots indirectly killing us in the form of taking our jobs. I’m talking about Computer-integrated manufacturing. it’s the manufacturing approach of using computers to control the entire production process. This integration allows individual processes to exchange information with each other and initiate actions. This process is already used widely in the transportation industry. So which industry will the next generation of homeless people be screaming about? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – should men have to put the toilet seat down or should women leave it up? 
  • With increasing strife from increased homelessness, there will no doubt be a large hippy led movement to feed these lazy assholes. That’s going to be problematic. Mostly because it will lead to a massive food shortage. It’s the classic trolley problem. Do we let these good for nothing homeless people die so that we may live? Or do we all die together of inevitable starvation? 
  • With no food left our only option will be to steal other people’s food. You know what that means! War! And lots of it! So much so that we will probably nuke ourselves into extinction. Yes, just like Steve Buscemi in Armageddon, we will ride that nuke like John Wayne into what used to be a sunset, but is now just a cloud of radiated death. The only question is…Who do we nuke first guys? My vote is *****(will change several times) -Jeremy 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Is binge watching the rest of the season without your spouse a form of cheating? 
  • We did it. We nuked ourselves into extinction. The ones left live in harmony with abundant resources and no more oppressive governments trying to control our chaotic blue rock. The only problem we have left is the dropping temperatures from the oncoming ice age. Nuclear winter is upon us! What kind of coat do you get? I think we all know the answer. -Jeremy 
  • You did it guys! You picked the right coat, so to speak. You survived the ice age and have awakened to a brave new world. All the squabbles and petty differences of our past society are gone. What could possibly extinct you now? Except for maybe YOUR OWN BODY! That’s right, there is a deadly contagion running rampant through what is left of our great society. Our advanced science of medicines can’t help you now. Do you take the blame and separate yourself from our new society, or do you cough on the guy who was hogging all the good bugs and blame them? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

  •  Branch Dividians 
  •  Christianity 
  •  Islam 

Key people: 

  •  Leonard Ravenhill 
  • Carter Conlon 
  • David Wilkerson 
  • Keith Daniels  

Key Movies:  

  •  A Bridge Life: Finding Our Way Home 
  •  Chasing Ice 
  •  The Blue Planet 
  • More Than Honey 

Argument Against 

  • We are become death 
  • We are become death  
  • We are become death 
  • We are become death 
  • We are become death 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Nick bostrom 
  •  Dr. Ian Pearson 
  •  Steven Cave 
  •  Leonard Guarente 

Key groups: 

  •  Everyone else 

Key Movies: 

  •  2012: An Awakening 
  •  Cosmic Collisions 
  •  Blind Spot 
  •  Fed Up 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. If I was in a zombie apocalypse, I wouldn’t be playing music, because that would attract zombies. Scott Weiland, ladies and gentleman. If you are for the apocalypse then I suggest you get in touch with me, and I’ll take you to church some time. If you want to go on living a healthy life till the sun eventually explodes then keeping living, you’re doing a great job.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as hard boiled eggs, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about aquaphobic stevedores. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about what I wanted to be when I grew up. Child actors! We will also be arguing about JP morgan, and one of my favorite movies. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Let’s start with the infamous Lindsay Lohan. She has the most amazing twitter. An excerpt from it reads “WHY is everyone in SUCH a panic about hurricane (I’m calling it Sally) …? Stop projecting negativity! Think positive and pray for peace,”. The hurricane she was referring to was called Sandy, and it killed 285 people. My next question is about social media. How long do child actors get a pass on social media trolling? – milo 
  • Let’s turn now to another big one. Hannah Montana. Now for those of you who don’t know Hanna Montana was the daughter of country music legend Billy Ray Cyrus. Ole Billy ray constructed the persona Hanna Montana for his daughter so she could follow in his footsteps as one of the greatest musicians of all time. We all know her after the government microchipped her and made her grind all up on Robin Thicke. My question is about this transformation process. When is it ok to sexualize a child actor? – Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – I just saw Titanic for the first time. Do you think JP Morgan planned that? 
  •  Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Ryan Gosling. What do they all have in common? They are all former members of the mickey mouse club. They were also all wildly successful after the mickey mouse club. Something I’ve always wondered about that show and specifically those celebrities. Do you think they also have to hate the Jews? 
  • Edward furlong. You know him from such hits as The Crow, and Terminator 2: Judgement day. You may also know him from hitting women. He has been arrested three separate times for hitting a woman, one of which he was actually violating his probation that he got, from hitting a woman. Given the environment these people live in, should we have different rules/laws for child actors? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Was there room for Jack on the door? 
  • Let’s turn now to the original child star. Shirley Temple. That adorable bundle of curls was the poster child for other little ones to get into the entertainment industry. Fun fact about miss Temple, she acquired 2.4 million as a result of her child acting. Another fun fact when her trust was released to her after coming of age, she had accrued 33,000. Pretty good right? My question is about parenting. How much of the money should I keep if I decide to sell my kid to Hollywood? 
  • Let’s talk about JT. I mean JTT. That’s right, Jonathan Taylor Thomas. JTT had glorious run on the show Home Improvement, and then starred as young Simba in the Original Lion King. He then left to pursue education at Harvard, St. Andrews, and Columbia. His last appearance was on the Home improvement reboot and has since spent his time living his life quietly outside the spotlight. The question is, is he an alien, or is it possible for child stars to live normal lives after their 15 minutes is up. 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • How do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Kids Are prostitutes  
  • Kids Are prostitutes 
  • Kids Are prostitutes 
  • Kids Are prostitutes 
  • Kids Are prostitutes 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

  •  Mark collins Rector 
  •  Marty Weiss – currently trying to lighten sex offender laws in california 
  •  Brian singer – brian peck  
  •  Mike harrah 
  • Bob villard 

Key Movies:  

Argument Against 

  • Children should not be abused 
  • Children should not be abused 
  • Children should not be abused 
  • Children should not be abused 
  • Children should not be abused 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Drew Barrymore 
  •  Ryan Reynolds 
  •  Mara Wilson 
  •  Shirley Temple 

Key groups: 

Key Movies: 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. If you put your kid in show business, skip the show business and put them straight in rehab. Ryan Reynolds, ladies and gentleman. If you are for child actors then I suggest you get in touch with NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association). to see how you can help out. If you want Child stars to be treated more fairly, then get your head out of your ass because that’s never going to happen.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as **********, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is Valid Arguments. A show about three men in their early thirties trying desperately to avoid coming to the inevitable realization that it’s all downhill from here. I’m Joel Barkley, and Today we’re going to be talking about The Military Industrial Complex. We will also be arguing about religion and politics BECAUSE I’M THE FUCKING HOST TODAY. Joining me is Milo “Meat Machine” Mordhorst. (Milo intro). And Jeremy “How Many Hotdogs is Too Many Hotdogs?” Horton. (Jeremy intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by y’all telling me what resource-rich country you would invade-I mean, freedomify, after we get attacked by Saudi nationals again. 

  1. You mean after Iran? Switzerland. Fuck them, and their knives. 
  1. Iceland, New Zealand, Portugal, Austria, or Denmark. The five most peaceful

Questions Joel will ask:  

Question 1: Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root, or KBR, was awarded “sweetheart” contracts to provide basic services like portable toilets and internet for troops during the Iraq War as well as fixing the oil producing infrastructure of the country. They were recouped the costs of providing goods and services and then were given a profit of anywhere between 2 and 7 percent, all on the US taxpayers’ dime. So my first question is: Where the fuck does Dick Cheney get off?  

  1. On himself while looking into a mirror. Also a fun fact they were actually audited to find out where he gets off. The Defense Contract Audit Agency found that $553 million in payments should be disallowed to KBR due to missed meals, and inflated pricing and other shady shit.  
  1. That was 11 years ago you fucking dinosaur. The REAL news, and how I would’ve taken this show is that in February 2018 KBR acquired Stinger Ghaffarian Technologies, a provider of technological solutions as well as mission operations in the aerospace sector, for $355 million. SPACE-FORCE 
     

Question 2: Private military contractors are civilians that provide security services for basically anyone who can afford them. They are essentially mercenaries who work for a corporation. One of the most infamous private military companies is Academi, formerly known as Blackwater. The 2004 Battle of Fallujah, the bloodiest chapter in the Iraq War, was due in part to four Blackwater contractors being killed and their bodies desecrated. In 2007, Blackwater contractors were involved in what they alleged was a shootout in a heavily populated market, but it was later revealed that the contractors were the first to open fire on a car in front of their vehicle and subsequently massacred a reported 20 Iraqi civilians. These events brought to light the US military’s reliance upon private military contractors to wage wars. So, should we even support the troops anymore? 

  1. Of course we should, fuck face. You have to be a part of the troops to become a contractor.  
  1. Quick correction,  Academi was actually acquired by the constellis group along with a bunch of other PMC companies. So soon enough, they may be the troops. 
  1. The more troops fighting here privately, the more the public sector will have to send our troops to space 
  1. In High conflict areas, Contractors make up about 10-20% of the population. The balance of contractors. That’s of course based on an estimation that this is about 10-20% of the data we have on contractors. For more go to Icasualties.org. They have attempted to record as much of this mess as possible.  
  1. Militaries that use PMC’s mostly use them for menial tasks because they don’t trust a gun for hire. 
  1.  
     

Palette Cleanser 1: My first palette cleanser deals with religion. I wanna know: Who’s the most fuckable religious figure  

  1.  
    Shiva. Three babes 4 arms each. Use your imagination folks. Or Ganesh. I’ve always wanted to fuck an elephant. 
  1. Mormons have a Space God. Perfect for Space Force! 

Question 3: Staying with Private Military Companies and contractors, recently on February 7th of 2018, there was a large battle between about 40 US Special Forces operators and a handful of pro-Syrian government forces along with hundreds Russian mercenaries trying to take control of an oil refinery. The four-hour long battle saw the US commandos calling in air support against a collection of tanks, armored personnel carriers and other heavy weapons. After the dust cleared, between 200 and 300 “pro-regime” forces were dead and not one American casualty had resulted. This episode highlighted the ability of countries, like Russia, to fight proxy wars against its enemies using private military contractors and have plausible deniability when it comes to their culpability in such military actions. So what are the chances Jeff Bezos buys his own army to take over the world in order to further his goals of world domination and an outstanding customer experience? 

  1. Somewhere between 100 and 100%. 
  1. In December he was quoted as saying in regards to tech in military. “This is not a sporting competition. You don’t want to fight fair.” and followed it up with “we’ve had an advantage in space. I’m very nervous that is changing rapidly. It’s also noteworthy that he is currently dumping around 1bn annually into his space company “blue origin” that vows to send paying customers to space. I bet the customer service is way better than delta. One more step towards SPACE-FORCE! 

Question 4: Switching gears now, I want to talk about the all-too-cozy relationship between the Military Industrial Complex and corporate media. General Electric, one of the largest Private Military Companies in the US, used to own NBC and enjoyed news coverage during the Gulf War that portrayed GE-made weapons and other military hardware in a decidedly pro-war light and downplayed or even omitted civilian deaths that resulted from the use of these weapons. This kind of war coverage would continue through the wars in Afghanistan and later Iraq and even recently when the US used cruise missiles against a Syrian government airbase. It’s not hard to make the connection of pro-war coverage by nearly every corporate owned media outlet and sponsorship dollars from Boeing, GE, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin among others. So is getting a rock-hard freedom-boner when watching news coverage of the latest airstrike in whatever country full of brown people we’ve invaded that week a completely normal American response?  

  1. It depends on how hot the newscaster is. If they put some uggo on there to push some war propaganda at us, that’s a deal breaker. 
  1. We will be constantly jerking off in space anyway so might as well have a freedom boner. Space is boring. 
  1.  
     

Hamm’s Segment 

Question 5: Corporations that are a part of the defense industry spend millions lobbying Congress every year. In 2015, defense contractors greatly increased their lobbying expenditures as there was a cap limiting defense spending by the government; the more that Congress approves for defense spending, the more money these companies make. So it stands to reason that when our country goes to war or otherwise uses more military hardware that is manufactured by these defense contractors, that only helps their bottom line. Should we be worried that companies within the Military Industrial Complex have so much leverage over our politicians or am I just being paranoid? What are those black SUVs that followed me over here even doing? Do you guys hear that high pitched tone when you talk on the phone, too? WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE BEES??  

  1. Fuck bees. China actually did an experiment where they painted pollen onto flowers manually, and found that the yield from them was 30-40% higher than when bees did it. We are better than bees. Don’t need em. They can fuck off. 
  1. Do we even need bees in space? Are there space flowers? 
     

Palette Cleanser 2: Should politicians in Congress who vote to go to war be forced to fight in that war? What about their kids or grandkids? 

  1. You really want them fighting a war for you? It’s a fact that poor people fight better. It’s the hunger. Makes em strong. 
  1. Maybe make them front lines, with a more strategically placed second line of actual soldiers. 
  1. They wouldn’t even be able to breathe outside of our atmosphere. 

Question 6: War is profitable. It makes a lot of people a lot of money. Death, destruction, displacement and despair mean nothing to people who cash blood soaked checks written by Uncle Sam. So last question guys, how do we solve this thing? 

  1. You guys played killzone right? What’d that successful franchise have that we don’t? That’s right. The ISA. The interplanetary strategic alliance. Luckily we don’t have to settle for something as dumb as the ISA. We have spaceforce! 
     

Outro: *summarize Jeremy and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. The winner of today’s show had this to say: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.” President Dwight D. Eisenhower. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks, Milo and Jeremy, for coming on my show and sharing your thoughts on the subject. We here at valid arguments 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that’s fair and balanced, as all things should be. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about zoos, again. We’re calling it zoos 2: electric boogaloo! We will also be arguing about fitness, and spending time with your family. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now we’ll get into the questions but we should address that this is actually not an episode about zoos but rather animal extinction, and the various ways it takes place. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Let’s start today with a sentiment that I think everyone can relate to. Some species need to go extinct. The passenger pigeon was useless. It’s even sometimes necessary to introduce a non-indigenous species to control another species that’s not only being useless but hurting the environment. My first question is that is there a case to be made for hunting useless animals to extinction? jeremy 
  •  A lot of this argument centers around the extinction of animals. If there was no danger of these animals going extinct, it wouldn’t be illegal to hunt them. Now Pandas are dumb. So dumb that they will most likely go extinct without anyone hunting or selling them to rich folks. So, on the flip side of my last question, should we stop certain animals from going extinct that would otherwise do so? joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Can people go to the gym without telling you about it
  •  You guys eat stuff, right? Ya me too. I bring it up because here in America we eat animals at a completely unsustainable rate. As far as exotic animals, we don’t. We hardly eat them at all. 2-part question here. Should we eat more endangered animals, and do they taste better? joel 
  •  This next question is a philosophical one and one that we here at Valid Arguments have debated time and time again. Are humans a part of nature? Therefore, rendering anything we do or any animal we make go extinct as a natural occurrence. milo 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – which holiday is the worst? 
  •  I love elephants. I watched a video of an elephant yesterday where it painted a picture of an elephant with its trunk. It was so adorable. Anyway, my question is does ivory give you a boner? 
  •  Next up I think I have a pretty easy valid argument here. I’ve worn several fur coats and every time I am not disappointed. They’re warm, comfortable, and give you that feeling of superiority that only killing one of the last snow leopards can give you. With that, are fur coats super awesome? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • .How do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Save the animals!! 
  • Save the animals!! 
  • Save the animals!! 
  • Save the animals!!  
  • Save the animals!! 
  • Save the animals!! 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

Key Movies:  

Argument Against 

  • Kill the animals! 
  • Kill the animals! 
  • Kill the animals! 
  • Kill the animals! 
  • Kill the animals! 

Sources: 

Key people: 

Key groups: 

Key Movies: 

summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. If anyone’s going to bring about mass extinction, it’ll be Donald Trump. Nikki Glaser, ladies and gentleman. If you are for the exotic animal trade then I suggest you move to a country with exotic animals and buy a high-powered rifle. If you want the senseless extinction of animals outlawed entirely, then I suggest you get in touch with the world wildlife fund and see how you can help out.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who eat pizza with a fork, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.