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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about fuckwads. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the thing that keeps our world turning, manners! We will also be arguing about clowns, and relevant legislation. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I’ll get into the questions in a minute but first a quick word from our sponsor today. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Let’s start with a simple one. Now I’m not a big advocate of capital punishment, but when it comes to certain people, I think a firing squad wouldn’t be the worst idea in the world. My first question is should we give people that don’t say thank you, the death penalty? 
  •  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Old people suck. Do you know who else sucks? Young people. Young people will bitch about really anything, and the youth is looking more and more like a bunch of dead eyed mouth breathers every day. My question is about technology. Do you guys think that the massive technological advancements we’ve seen recently, have contributed to these bad-mannered shitheads? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is a fear of clown’s irrational? 
  • There’s nothing I hate more than some mannerless little kid in the grocery store screaming, throwing themselves on the ground, and threatening to stab cashiers with a fondue fork. So, should you be able to discipline other people’s kids if they’re being shitheads in public? 
  • This episode is kind of lacking my usual fun facts. Let me share one with you guys about manners. 71% of hiring managers said they valued their employees’ emotional intelligence over their IQ. According to Brighton. With that statistic in mind do success and good manners go hand in hand? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – you get to make one law, what is it? 
  • Driving to the studio today I saw a smidge of grass. The reason I only saw a little bit of grass is that where the grass was supposed to be, there was a bunch of Styrofoam bullshit being thrown out of car windows all along the road. I think this one will be a Valid argument. Chemical castration for people that litter? We only get one earth. 
  • I am not a big fan of our school system. I think they teach us a lot of less than important things that prepare us for little more than more time in school, while life skills are slashed or cut out all together from the curriculum. Next question is should manners be taught in school? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

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  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 

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  • Slap people in the face 
  • spit off of overpasses onto pedestrians 
  • don’t flush the toilet after taking a huge shit 
  • Don’t Tip  
  • Don’t hold doors, slam them in people’s faces  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. T stands for being nice. T stands for manners. T stands for being polite, Mr. T ladies and gentleman. If you are for good manners then I suggest you get in touch with an etiquette school in your area and see how you can help out. If you want manners outlawed entirely, then just keep being a jackass.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as that guy at the party with an acoustic guitar, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about three dudes mansplaining hate speech to all you libtards, neckbeards, snowflakes, and basement dwellers. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about mob mentality! We will also be arguing about white people, and we’ll start to self-actualize. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on herd mentality and what you guys think are worthy causes to herd apathetic people into. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Are we comedians, or just three assholes with recording equipment
  •  My next question involves authoritarianism. It is defined as the belief about the appropriate relationship that should exist between groups and their individual members. Authoritarians use psychological mechanisms to direct people into adopting their accepted social identity/social categorization. They use this to predict intergroup hostilities. This theory is called the social identity theory. This is knowledge we all should have by now. So why the fuck are we still listening to these douchebags? milo 
  •  In case you all thought I had forgotten or was taking the day off from my usual message. I assure you I am getting to the true O. G’s and creators of herd mentality, the government. Let’s talk about the Council on Foreign Relations. The aggregators of how our government conducts themselves. Not just us though. There is a version of this in every civilized country. Not only that, most of our politicians and media talking heads are involved with this council in one way or another. This crazy group that seems to involve everyone that has influence on us in pretty much any way that matters. My next question is, what do ya’ll make of that? milo 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • Well ya’ll, let’s end on Dr. Suess. Specifically, a book called the sneeches. The story of humanoids that have stars on their bellies, and other ones that don’t. And all the class riots and body mutilation that comes along with that type of superficial lifestyle. So, with that in mind, how do we solve this thing? 

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  • At least 50 more iPhones and then you get put on the wait list. You can preorder your next 100 iPhones and then you will get a secret club fast pass. Till then, no secret club, yo.  
  •  People follow the herd. If we don’t pay for fake accounts, then we will never gain real ones. 
  • It certainly makes things easier. I mean the less I have to use my brain the better. One day I hope to not even have to use it all. Autopilot or bust!  
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  • There’s no secret club except the club of broke losers with a bunch of shitty phones. It’s a status symbol that is made up to keep you ensnared in consumerism. 
  • I think social media is a dying way to communicate, and our lack of following on them is a result of the real intellectuals craving a different form of communication. Stay tuned for our argument based social media platform, Arguer  
  • Fuck no! Think for yourself, Be an Individual. More ideas are always better and silencing new ideas for the sake of “make it easier” is just a cop out and excuse to not think.  
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  • Various Anarchistic groups. Most scattered and poorly organized.  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of “clear and present danger,” then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent. 

It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions–by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. 

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match. 

President John F Kennedy, ladies and gentleman. If you are for herd mentality then I suggest you find the council on foreign relations in your country, and see how you can help out.  If you want to see herd mentality wiped from the earth completely, then spread the word and disagree with everything until you’re convinced otherwise. If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think  please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about forgiveness, morality, and understanding who among us should be hurled into the sun for their shitty opinions. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the one day we get off our fat asses and decide to care about something, black Friday! We will also be arguing about reading, and acronyms. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on black Friday and what goods you’re prepared to throw down for this year. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  I’m really excited for Black Friday. It’s by far my favorite holiday of the year. Mass chaos that is bottled and sent directly to me in YouTube Format. What could be Better? Now in recent years we’ve heard a lot about black Friday being dead and shoppers relying mainly on online deals to get in their fix of that sweet sweet capitalism. The results of last year’s black Friday say different, that the event say it was the biggest year ever, pulling in around 6.2 billion dollars in a day. So, first question, is black Friday really dead or is this another thing millennials hope to say enough times that it eventually becomes true? milo 
  •  Here’s some fun stats. The average savings of a big box store any given day around the holidays is around 20%. Black Friday sees that avg jump to about 37%. My next question is for Joel. I know you like to save a penny wherever possible, so given those stats, is the extra 17% worth the carnage and river of blood that fills the aisles of Walmart’s around the country? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Are books better than movies? 
  •  You guys ever watch any fighting sports? I ask because I love that shit. I love the WWE, UFC, and the NFL. But they pale in comparison to the amateur bum fights that encapsulate black Friday. The death count is currently at 12 deaths and 117 injuries. So, if black Friday starts to decline and we see less of that, I don’t know that America will be able to cope the lack of violence that we so desperately need. Next question, if the fights stop, how long before we institute a purge? milo 
  •  I want to talk now about debt. We all have it. We all hate it. It’s estimated that American credit card companies own about 1 trillion dollars in debt. It’s also estimated that 25% of Americans take 3 months or more to pay off their debt from Black Friday. This question is for our economics majors. Is that enough debt to stimulate our economy? joel 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is it Gif or Gif? 
  •  I found out something interesting in doing research for this episode and looking for free soup at the same time. It turns out, that a lot of homeless people will camp outside of stores with everyone else in an attempt to get a good night’s rest. Too bad for them, because they ain’t buying. As a result of their rejection of capitalism, they face fines and jail time. That seems fair right? milo 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • I’m not sure if my usual last question applies to Black Friday, because I’m not sure there is anything to solve here. But I guess I’ll ask it anyway. Guys, how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Those millennial trash people are a bunch of terds. Capitalist hating terds. 
  •  Hell yes, they’re worth it! I’ll punch a pregnant lady in the face for 80% off a tv. 
  •  Unnecessary. Our yearly offering to the capitalist gods will never cease to exist, so I reject your question.  
  •  Totally fair. They’re taking up consumer space. Those spaces are reserved for people who are buying stuff that they need, not dirty, rotten freeloaders. 
  •  These things tend to work themselves out. 

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  •  I could not find any activists rallying for Black Friday rights 

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Argument Against 

  • Online sales jumped last year, up 28% to $3.7 billion on Thanksgiving, according to Adobe Analytics. As of 10 a.m. Eastern Time on Black Friday, online spending was up 27.8% to $643 million. Millennials are inevitable, old man. Inevitable.  
  • Is that tv really worth your life? 12 people have died! This is an epidemic!  
  • Ya that’s true, we will need something. The obvious choice I guess is socialism. A compelling case could be made for communism as well. 
  • These people don’t even have a roof over their heads and then they’re arrested for trying to get a night’s sleep without being shivved by dirty mike and the molester boys.  
  • Maybe we can just charge a fair price year round instead of jacking up the prices until we are all so fed up with them that we resort to beating people over the head with a table set.  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. Some people see Black Friday as a much-needed break for their wallet. I see it as retail outlets showing the customers the full weight of their contempt. The frenzy to buy cheap crap from China, the human downgrade of people fighting with each other over items they can probably live without, to me, is an insult. Henry Rollins, ladies and gentleman. If you are for sex work being decriminalized then I suggest you get in touch with the sex workers project to see how you can help out. If you want to see sex workers outlawed entirely, then vote for kamala Harris.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think green plants are flowers, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Gentrification: Valid Arguments

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that will make you think twice about that tinder message you just sent. Stefan.  I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Gentrification! We will also be arguing about fruits and veggies, and tent making. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on gentrification, and which cities you think, need it the most? milo 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Proponents of gentrification will tell you that gentrification is a natural process that has always taken place. Neighborhoods get popular, property values go up. Opponents will tell you that this is class warfare. That these neighborhoods need to be preserved to avoid cities becoming exclusively rich people. Is there any weight to this gentrification stuff or is it a lot of poor people whining about rich people like always? milo 
  •  Let’s move on to displacement. We all rented for a good period of time. Migration among renters is high whether a neighborhood becomes fancy or not. So why should it be any different when the millennials move in? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Do vegetables have feelings? milo 
  • A lot of these problems seem to stem from absentee owners and rent controlled areas. It seems to me that if these Mr. Heckle like cretons we call landlords were regulated; we could solve this thing wholesale. So Why shouldn’t we just burn all the landlords like the witches that they are? No Absentee owners, no problem, right? joel 
  •  Well I gotta say guys. All this gentrification talk makes me think of how much money I don’t have. So, hypothetically, if someone wanted to be proactive, what are the first signs can poor people can look out for if they think their area is starting to be gentrified? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is camping really fun? Or a tradition we’re all lying to ourselves about? 
  • One of the things that I’ve been reading about is that when people buy houses, their property value goes up during gentrification. As a homeowner, that makes me want to find a couple of feminine construction workers and start gentrifying my own neighborhood. So, my question is where do you get off wanting me to have lower property value?! 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • I want to talk about what’s called tax abatement. A tax abatement is a financial incentive that eliminates or significantly reduces the amount of taxes that an owner pays on a piece of residential property. Here’s where the fuckery comes in. Tax abatements also apply to commercial property. So, if you manage to contact an organization that can help your neighborhood obtain a tax abatement program, chances are the gentrifiers can take advantage of it too. You guys think these tax abatements are helping or, just like everything the government gets involved in, are they just making things worse?  
  •  The effects of gentrification can be felt pretty much anywhere near a city or college. You can probably think of a place in your own town that’s starting to look more commercialized and catering to the youth more than your old ass would like. Last question, how do we solve this thing

Argument for: 

  • It’s a bunch of lazy-ass do nothings that want to mooch off the system as much as possible. This is just the latest scheme to do so. 
  •  It shouldn’t. Millennials have every right to pay exorbitant amounts of money to be able to ride their electric scooter to their homemade candle shop while wearing a scarf with a t-shirt from a band “you’ve probably never heard of”. And who are you to take that away from them!? 
  •  Whoa man, that’s really harshing the vibe. Gentrifiers aren’t so much “displacing” people, as they are letting them spread their wings and fly out into the world. 
  •  If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times. Poor people hate homeowners. They’re just looking at you with their freedom to move at any time. Trying to snatch your mortgage right from under you. 
  •  Ya it’s kind of a double standard, but hey, don’t hate the player, hate the game fam. 
  •  Seems like it will work itself out. 

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  • These people are having their lives uprooted for the sake of vegan bakeries. Is that the type of world you want to live in? Where we care more about pastries than humans?! Why not just put these people right in the oven yourself!? Because that’s what your condemning them to. Ovens. 
  • People shouldn’t have to pick between living in a decent neighborhood and spending their life savings on rent. What’s next, the HOA having mandatory drum circles? Where does this end?! 
  • Burn the Landlords! Burn them ALL!! 
  • Homeowners only see property value go up enough to make a profit if they can afford the inflation of the property taxes you will incur from living in a gentrified area long enough to sell your home. Even with tax abatement programs you will most likely use the profit you made on your home to pay off the back taxes on it.  
  • Just like the government. Robbing peter to pay paul. Like always. 
  • Declaring neighborhoods that are currently being gentrified as untouchable housing markets until suitable housing becomes available. Using the increased tax revenue that the city is getting to do so. Also, Homeownership. Make it easier.  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. In my heart of hearts, I truly believe that Senator Bernie Sanders is the right man to lead this country. Killer Mike, ladies and gentleman. If you are for gentrification I suggest you get a tool belt, contact HGTV and try to work out a deal for yourself. If you want to find a different solution to gentrification, then I suggest you get in touch with the Right to the city and homes for all organizations, and see if there’s anything you can do to help out.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think chain wallets are making a comeback, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Joel pops in. “guys! We got our first bad review!”  

Awesome what does it say?! 

Joel reads review. 

Arguing about being Edge-lords. 

Jeremy tells milo it’s not as easy as just reading stuff.  

Milo decides to be the host(like a Dickhead). 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about a sex worker and a wealthy businessman that fall hard for one another. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about sex work, but mostly we will be quoting pretty woman. We will also be arguing about marriage, and Fashion. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by each of you telling me about a time in your life where you, yourself have felt like a sex worker. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  You guys familiar with the 10th amendment? It is perhaps my favorite amendment. It reads, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” It basically says that the states have every right, individually, to give the federal government the finger. I wanted to start with that because prostitution is a state’s rights issue. My question for you guys is should this be seen as an equality issue and thus fall under the purview of the federal government? 
  •  If you are listening to this than you know I don’t like to skirt around big issues. The biggest issue surrounding sex workers today is the potential for it to cross the line into sex trafficking. Given that we, as we say all the time, are three white guys from the Midwest who don’t know anything. My next question is should we even touch this one?  
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is love is a good basis for marriage
  • One of the problems I personally have with sex work is the perception that people are commodities that can be bought and sold. If paying for sex is normalized, I believe it sends a signal to young people that sex is not something that two or more people who like each other do together, but more like a trip to the post office. That sit right with ya’ll? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is fashion important? Or a social construct
  •  There was a study done between 2003 and 2007 on the economics of sex work shows that sex work can bring in anywhere from $39.9 million to $290 million per state. That’s a shitload! And while that number is very hard to pin down, if it’s anywhere close to that, shouldn’t that be basis alone for exploring the idea as a valid profession? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 

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  •  The only people against sex work frame their argument as anti human trafficking. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.”. Jerry Falwell, ladies and gentleman. If you are for sex work being decriminalized then I suggest you get in touch with the sex workers project to see how you can help out. If you want to see sex workers outlawed entirely, then vote for kamala Harris.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think we should raise the drinking age, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about the good ole days, when candy was a penny, and grunge wasn’t considered classic rock. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Nostalgia, this is what a millennials midlife crisis looks like. We will also be arguing about good role models, and then we will put you in a VERY awkward position. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro).  nostalgic memory is. Milo, then joel. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Nostalgia is defined as a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past. It comes from the Greek word for homesickness. This characterization has been eating at me. My first question is that if these memories are happy in nature, why are these feelings of homesickness or longing what we associate them with? Joel 
  •  Nostalgia is often associated with meaningful memories. Clay Routledge wrote a book about his labs experience with nostalgia and what they found was that it is most often triggered by meaninglessness, loneliness, and sadness. Studies show that when people are overwhelmed with existential dread, feelings of nostalgia can increase productivity and help cultivate relationships. Given that, I could see nostalgia as being a sort of defense mechanism that our bodies use to cope with our meaningless existence. That’s not a question, just wanted to put it out there. 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is Batman a good role model
  •  I’ve been reading a little bit about group nostalgia. It is said that experiencing group nostalgia can be a sort of glue that holds a group together. With that logic it would seem that we should all strive for group nostalgia in order to move us all forward together. Do you guys think there’s any downside to group nostalgia? 
  •  It’s no secret, times have changed. The culture now is a lot different from the culture we consider nostalgic. So, let’s play a game. What’s a nostalgic show/movie that would be super problematic nowadays?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Is yoga exercise or just creative standing 
  • Some people report feelings of nostalgia for a particular time period. Some for time periods they weren’t even alive for. As we just mentioned, some movies can try to create a type of historical nostalgia presented as a way to help people kind of cope with their current lives. Do you think that’s ok or should these sad sacks just learn to pick themselves up and move the fuck on with their lives? 
  •  Studies done have shown that music and movies are some of the biggest triggers for nostalgic feelings. What do you guys think is the most nostalgic piece of pop culture for you personally? 
  •   Palette cleanser/segment 
  • In the past 20 years we have went from barely having flip phones, dial up internet, and other incredible advances that contribute to our society in immeasurable ways. So, were the good ole days really that good? 

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  • . Because you’re not doing it right. 
  •  Make America Great Again. 

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  •   Clay Routledge is the authority on this matter. He theorizes that these feelings may actually be associated with a negative time in your life and we use nostalgia as a sort of defense mechanism against that trauma.  
  • Ace Ventura, pet detective. You have a problem with transgender people, Jim? 
  • although textual analysis showed the nostalgic memory descriptions were more positive, across all condition’s positivity was no indicator of intention to volunteer 
  •  In nostalgic moments, each memory becomes magnified, not only in terms of depth of meaning, but also of emotional experience. There is generally a longing to go back to these past experiences with a desire to hold each moment close and not let it go. 
  •  The only good memories are dead ones. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* me I think the only good memory is a dead one. I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. I don’t do nostalgia. It just doesn’t occur to me. I’m living in the moment, and I don’t have that gene. Harrison Ford, ladies and gentleman. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who put the toilet roll under rather than over, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments and if you like the show please leave us a rating and review on itunes. We hope to disagree with you soon

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about glass houses and sinking ships. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Zoos, or as I call them, the geo-prison industrial complex. We will also be arguing about golf, and if our athletes should be nicer to one another. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on zoo’s and if you think they should allow more guns on the premises (currently allow 0 per person). 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  The top three animals that zoos want are tigers, lions, and lemurs. They do this not for any conservation efforts, but because of the entertainment factor. Do you think zoos should be able to capture any animal, like the playful baby sea-otter as long as it amuses us? 
  • The biggest problems facing zoos given their pro conservation stance is the unsustainability of many animal programs. Many of the animals produce more offspring than zoos have space for. They deal with this issue with Surplus management strategies that mainly involve sterilization and euthanasia. Don’t we owe our prisoners like the late great gorilla Harambe a little more than a short life in a small hole? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is golf a sport
  •  There’s some evidence to suggest that captive animals struggle with their mental health. depression in leopards, OCD in brown bears, and a condition called “zoochosis” that makes them do some pretty crazy stuff.  You think zoos should be required to provide psychologists and mental health professionals to their prisoners like the wildly impractical but loveable giraffe? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should fighting be allowed in hockey
  •  A lot of heartless people argue that zoo research obtained from the animal slaves we took, is essential to understanding our ecosystem. Is that really a good justification for mercilessly tearing families apart? 
  • Do you think zoos should make more of an effort to reunite families like the adorable bottle-nose dolphin after ripping them apart and scarring them for life? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 
  • In 2014 the us court of appeals (which included justice Kavanaugh at the time) OSHA vs. SEAWORLD ruled that SeaWorld was guilty not protecting their employees. SeaWorld has over 100 incidents of orca aggression towards trainers including three deaths. At what point do you kind of have it coming when you go into that kind of work? 

Argument for: 

  • . Every year, AZA-accredited zoos and aquariums spend $220 million on field conservation alone, supporting more than 2,600 projects in 130 countries. To date, the AZA Conservation Grants Fund has provided $7.7 million in support for 400+ projects worldwide. 
  •  Last year alone, 146,136 students embarked on learning experiences at Zoos Victoria, seeking greater connections with wildlife and the skills needed to equip our children with as they inherit stewardship of a stressed planet. 
  •  for many species (but no, not all) it is perfectly possible to keep them in a zoo or wildlife park and for them to have a quality of life as high or higher than in the wild. They also have no fear of predators 
  •  Smithsonian’s National Zoo in Washington is leading global research efforts on the detection and treatment of the sometimes-fatal elephant herpes virus, with the ultimate goal of developing an effective vaccine to be administered to the species in both zoo and wild populations 
  •  Isn’t it better to be alive and alone then dead together? 
  •  Ya they totally had it coming 

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Argument Against 

  • A study published in the journal PLOS ONE (which is dedicated to original research from all disciplines within science) found that only 18 percent of land animals in zoo collections are threatened or endangered 
  •   Less than 10 percent of the 2,800 wildlife exhibitors licensed by the United States Department of Agriculture under the Animal Welfare Act meet the more comprehensive standards of AZA accreditation. 
  •  Surplus management strategies are one of the best-kept secrets of modern zoos. In 2014, the world reacted with shock and outrage when a healthy 2-year-old giraffe named Marius was killed and cut up in front of spectators at Copenhagen Zoo. His body was then fed to the lions. (hey click here!) That site details some tips to avoid animal suffering. One of which is DO NOT EAT ENDANGERED ANIMALS! 
  •  normal behaviors are regulated and eliminated with regimes of food and artificial pairing. The daily routine in zoos is repetitive and monotonous. In most cases there is no type of privacy or stimulation and, as such, just as we would, animals suffer emotionally. 
  •  Texas has the world’s second-largest tiger population, due to private citizens’ propensity for keeping these big cats as pets. It is still legal in 29 states to buy a tiger. In Alabama they don’t even require a permit to keep an exotic animal. Although they have restrictions on the animals that are prohibited from being sold possessed or imported, like the mongoose coyote and wild turkey, there is no regulation on non-human primates, big cats, wolves or any other large predator. 
  •  Ya they definitely had it coming. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “orcas aren’t smart”. Seaworld ladies and gentlemen. That’s of course according to SeaWorld’s evidence. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think a hotdog is a sandwich, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

 
Fun facts: 

Sloths only descend from the trees once a week to use the bathroom.  

Koala fingerprints are almost indistinguishable from humans and have been mistaken at crime scenes before.  

Elephants are the only animal that cannot jump.  

Nearly three percent of the ice in Antarctic glaciers is penguin urine. 

Giraffes have no vocal chords 

Kangaroos can’t fart 

BABY ELEPHANTS SUCK THEIR TRUNKS FOR COMFORT. 

A GRIZZLY BEAR’S BITE IS STRONG ENOUGH TO CRUSH A BOWLING BALL 

SEA OTTERS HOLD HANDS WHILE THEY’RE SLEEPING SO THEY DON’T DRIFT APART. 

ANIMAL BEHAVIORISTS HAVE CONCLUDED THAT CATS DON’T MEOW AS A WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. IT’S A METHOD THEY USE FOR GETTING ATTENTION FROM HUMANS. 

IN THE UK, THE BRITISH MONARCH LEGALLY OWNS ALL UNMARKED SWANS IN OPEN WATER. 

ALL CLOWNFISH ARE BORN MALE—SOME TURN FEMALE TO ENABLE MATING. 

MALE RING-TAILED LEMURS WILL “STINK FIGHT” BY WAFTING SCENT AT EACH OTHER. 

IN 1924, A LABRADOR RETRIEVER WAS SENTENCED TO LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE AT EASTERN STATE PENITENTIARY FOR KILLING THE GOVERNOR’S CAT. 

HONEYBEES CAN GET SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is Valid Arguments. A show about tom cruises secret family. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about guns, and how can we make them seem less cool?! We will also be arguing about Willy Wonka, and as always, the clown college that is our government.  Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by both of you speaking very clearly into the mic and telling us how many and which guns you own. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  According to the FBI in 2016 over 11,000 murders were carried out with firearms. Over 60% were carried out with handguns. With this kind of gross over representation from handguns I have to ask. What’s the coolest handgun bullet? 
  •   the CDC says Firearm deaths are the third leading cause of deaths among children. Gun advocates argue that the reason we have so many firearms deaths in this country is because poor gun education. The NRA’s has a gun education program for children, the Eddie eagle program. The slogan and main point that is driven home in this children’s cartoon clearly states that when faced with a gun, children should first stop, don’t touch, run away, and tell a grown up. What more do you expect? Direct towards milo 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Do you think oom-pah Loompas were slaves or union workers
  •  There’s been a lot of talk about the AR-15 Assault rifle. Today they prefer to be called modern sporting rifles. When Assault rifles were banned in 1994, the NRA and Ronald Reagan supported this legislation. How then can we reconcile that with our current culture where 1-2 million modern sporting rifles exist in mass circulation? – milo 
  •  There are still several states that allow title II and title III weapons. This includes, among other things, 37mm grenade launchers, and flame throwers. Joel recently told me that I can legally buy a silencer. I have to say that this is really, really cool. My question is what reasonable use do you guys think there is for guns like these?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should CSpan and other political broadcasts be required to be more entertaining? – milo 
  •  We’ve talked a lot about gun deaths and what types of guns should be restricted. Are there any guns that are illegal that you would like to see legalized? 
  • Recently there has been a lot of gun massacres in the US. These tragedies by and large were carried out by known mentally unstable people. There are those that say having a database of firearm owners would help identify those individuals and disarm them before they have a chance to massacre innocent people. Do you think the US government should have a centralized database of the guns and their owners? 
  •  Argument for: 
  •  The RIP bullets. You should have the freedom to fragment your target into as many pieces as you wish. Teflon coated cop killers are a close second.  
  •  Newman the new Caledonian owlet-nightjar. Chris the cornish hen? Greg the galaukus winged gull? Greggory the great white fronted goose. Gun education is very important. It should be taught from baby books all the way up to seniors in high school. 
  • union 
  •  The practical application for an ar 15 is protection from tyranny. It’s a lot harder to control a population when they do not have any real means to deny an occupying power. Whether foreign or domestic. 
  • Look the more types of guns we have the better. The more lethal the American population the less susceptible to invasion we will be. All Armies fear partisan action. When a citizen is fighting on his home ground, he is deadlier. He is 1) Protecting his home 2) Knows the Lay of the land 3) Can easily blend into the area. 
  •  I’d like to see a civilian version of a Bradley or a Sherman. I think anything the military can have, we should have a civilian version of. Can’t let them get too far ahead of us. Every home should get a nuke if possible. 
  •  If there’s a database then they can find you. If they can find you, they can take your guns and leave you helpless

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  • Wayne Lapierre, executive vice president and chief executive officer of the National Rifle Association.  
  •  Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, a 300,000-member gun rights organization. 
  •  Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., presidential candidate and a strong gun rights supporter who vowed, “We will not let the liberals tread on the Second Amendment! 
  •  Dudley Brown, executive director of the National Association for Gun Rights, which he calls the “no compromise” gun lobby. 
  • Alex Jones, radio host and head of Infowars.com 

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Argument Against 

  •   The Jihawg bullet is tipped with paint that has pork blood in it. Made for killing muslims and making them “harram” or unclean so they are not able to go to heaven. 
  •  I mean what more do you need Woody the Woodpecker? terry the toucan? Gary the goose? Petey the Parrot? Sandy the San Clemente Loggerhead Shrike? Children are heathens. Educating them on gun safety does not serve to protect them anymore than educating a bird on glass windows would protect them from flying their dumb asses into them. 
  • slaves 
  •  Jim Sullivan one of the designers of the AR15 has since said that he does see any civilian application for the gun. I would wager he knows more than yo country ass.  
  •  No due to the fact that no foreign power having even the remotest chance of even putting troops on our soil, also could exist economically without our economic system in place, there is also the fact that the U.S. military is unimaginably superior than that of any other country, and very likely more than the top 9 other countries combined. Furthermore, there is the nuclear deterrent that must be considered, as well as the huge logistical undertaking that it would involve in order to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops to U.S. lands and then sustain them for any extended period of time. In other words, it would be the greatest military undertaking in history, and it would take a military force that simply does not exist in the world today. 
  • Fuck you of course not. More guns need to be restricted. It’s not like we could all trade in our AR15’s for something equally as cool……I mean dangerous. 
  •  A centralized database would help identify individuals that could potentially be a danger to themselves and the people around them. It is essential to helping curb the recent outbreak of tragedies in this country 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. The winner of tonight’s argument said “The Second Amendment isn’t there for duck hunting, it’s there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs… 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms! The Alex Jones ladies and gentleman. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think you aren’t naked if you have socks on, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that makes cock fighting seem a little more humane. I’m Jeremy Horton and, Today were going to be talking about video games, and which ones are for noobs.  We will also be arguing about our education system, and why the fun police are always ruining our good time.  Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now for this episode we are going to be arguing on behalf of our favorite consoles, mine being the all-powerful Xbox. I want to get your initial takes on your own game systems.  

Questions I will ask: 

  • So, the big question on everyone’s mind is one that I’m not going to skirt around for the entire episode and have this tension the whole time. Let’s just get it out of the way. Are video games good for you
  •  There’s been a lot of talk about what effect video games have on our youth. Which video game do you guys think is the violentest
  • Palette cleanser/segment – is homeschooling better than public schooling? 
  • What’s your favorite classic video game?  
  •  One thing I’ve noticed in my time of playing video games is how scantily clad the women are. I mean come on; how would the women of soul caliber even begin to fight in those balloon cocoons? Those boulder holders wouldn’t keep a pebble in place. I can’t seem to find any games with the same sexualization of men. So, my question is, why are video games so homophobic
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should we raise the BAC limit on breathalyzer tests? 
  • Did you guys play the new God of War? It won best art and graphics in 2018. I personally loved it. Do you guys think video games can be considered an art form? 
  •  I personally find video games soothing in a way. After a long day of work, there’s nothing I like more than sitting down and becoming the god that is master chief in the incomparable halo 5 guardians. But that’s us young guys. My question is what video games do you guys think most old people play to relax these days? (on Xbox)? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – some fuckin thing. 
  • Which video game is destined to replace our real lives?  

Argument for: 

  •  Video games are the best thing for you. They can increase your hand eye coordination. They even cure diseases? Got lazy eye? Play some video games and stop looking like a damn chameleon. 
  • Gears of war man. What’s more metal than sawing a dude in half with a chainsaw gun? 
  •  Halo one bruh, all the way.  
  •  What do you think jax should be coming out in assless chaps or something? You fuckin sausage and beans lovin faaaaaaaaaaaag. 
  •  Pfffffftt no. Old people can’t even work a phone. How do you expect them to be able to map the intricacies of an RPG such as dragons dogma for xbox one? 
  •  Vr chat 

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  • Jeremy’s opinion 

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Argument Against 

  •   I guess it depends on your definition of bad? Are they bad if they cause violence? Are they bad if they cause anti-social behavior? I think the more time you spend playing video games, the less time you’re spending in the real world. Kids should be forming real relationships in the real world. Not fake relationships with sweeter graphics.  
  • I would say most are violent. Especially shooter games…and fighter games, and role-playing games, and come to think of it I don’t like how much the L shape in Tetris looks like a gun. 
  •  It’s hard to pick a favorite bringer of the apocalypse. Death I suppose would be the obvious choice. I suppose a case could be made for famine.  but if I have to pick, Im kind of a fan of Gallaga 
  •  it is a serious problem. Just as video games are a problem. The low brow cheap titilation is only a part of the video game lifestyle because who they are marketing to is mainly lonely nerdy men with no social skills.  
  •  I think you need to listen to your elders young one. How many video games did they play growing up? None, and you know what that got them? An enormous amount of good character and lifelong relationships based on mutual suffering and technological ignorance.  
  •  All of them are raping our childrens ability to communicate in a social setting. They will replace our lives over my dead body. Which will likely last another 10-15 years. 

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  •  Jeremy’s opinion  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. The winner of tonight’s argument once said “My parents said that sitting at home playing video games all day won’t bring you anywhere in life”. PewDiePie ladies and gentleman. His current net worth is somewhere around 30 million. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think Die Hard is a Christmas movie, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

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Discussing what the episode is going to be about.  

  • The Patriarchy, is it really that bad? 
  • The Matriarchy, what’s really going on? 
  • Which came first, Hot Topic or goth kids? 
  • Is being a Vegan hereditary? 
  • Should cloning be legalized?’ 
  • Which animals is ok to test drugs on? 
  • Should we require college kids to wear chastity belts? 
  • Microsoft or apple. Which is the dark side? 

Joel busts in. Hey guys, I got some stuff to tell ya.  

What kind of stuff joel? 

Scientology!!!! 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about two PC’s and one OT gang stalking some SP’s. I’m Jeremy Horton, and today were going to be talking about a subject I just learned about 5 minutes ago, scientology! We will also be arguing about drug testing animals, and we’ll explore our fight or flight responses.  Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on scientology and your current thetan levels. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Is it true that L Ron Hubbard is expected to return and that staff members maintain a mansion for him in a constant state of readiness? Joel (milo counter) 
  •  Scientology is said to still have about 20-30,000 active members worldwide. With their numbers dwindling, do you guys think scientology still has the pull and influence that they had in their heyday? Milo (Joel counter) 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Which animals is ok to test drugs on? – Jerm, Milo, Joel 
  •  Scientology has a disconnection policy that forces you to distance yourself from so called “suppressive persons” SP’s for short. David Miscavige even disconnected from his own father. Is this cult activity and if not, why not? Jerm (Milo counter)  
  •  When it comes to auditing, there is 29 tenants in the auditor’s code. One of which is “I promise to see that any donation received for processing is refunded following the policies of the Claims Verification Board, if the preclear is dissatisfied and demands it within three months after the processing, the only condition being that he may not again be processed or trained”.  The reason I bring that up is that any money given to the church is classified as a donation by the I.R.S. this means they are not technically payments and they don’t technically have to pay back shit. Do you think that’s shady behavior for a church? – Joel (Milo counter) 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – would you rather fight a bear or a swarm of hornets 
  •  I want to talk now about the authoritarian arm of Scientology. The Guardian’s Office was renamed the “Office of Special Affairs” by the new church leadership in the mid-1980s. They are tasked with, among other things handling litigation, media relations, and covert data collection. Whatduya make of that? Milo (Joel counter) 
  • People have criticized the Church’s aggressive attitude in dealing with its perceived enemies and critics, allegations of mistreatment of members, and predatory financial practices. Do you think there is still a draw to scientology, even with people kind of “know what they’re getting into.” so to speak? (un-brainwash joel for God, the Podcast, and America!!!) 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Hamms 

Argument for: 

  • The mansion is called Bonnie View.  It’s preserved as a heritage site and is the express property of the church of spiritual technology. We maintain that LRH may come back or may not just as we all may. 
  • Do you mean our work with elderly outreach? And our classes on what your relationship is to your body as well as your mind—and why you have the capacity to influence your own health. That sounds pretty powerful to me. 
  •  Hellz ya it’s cult activity! What’s not cultic about cutting you off from your friends and family? Fortunately, that’s not what we do. We simply encourage people that associate with SP’s to resolve this situation, and either “handle” the other person’s antagonism with true data about Scientology and the Church or, as a last resort, when all attempts to handle have failed, one “disconnects” from or stops communicating with the person. 
  •  Our return policy is clearly stated on our website.  
  •  If you’re talking about our special affairs office that deals with raising awareness of drugs in the inner city, then guilty as charged! If you’re talking about our special theory and training courses in our Saint Hill facility, then you don’t have a warrant. 
  •   People are still signing up for scientology because It’s better than any self-help book you could possibly read. While psychology is primarily the study of observing responses to stimuli and provides no means of producing actual improvement, Scientology goes further and demands improvement from the PC. 

Sources: 

  •  Various scientology websites. Since it is a religion, I assume they are all created and wholly endorsed by the church of scientology. According to WikiLeaks there are currently 2,070 of these websites. 

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  • Scientology, duh. 

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Argument Against 

  • The Sea Org motto is “Revenumus”, meaning “we come back”. Traditionally after a 21-year leave of absence, meaning that Ron was due back in 2007. Mark Headley, A former member of the church explained in an interview that he has had conversations with David Miscavage about this and the release dates for OT9 and OT10. They will be released in theaters starring TC. 
  •    While scientology’s numbers are small those ranks include several influential Hollywood figures. Their position is unique to other cults in that the members hold huge sway over the content that the general population observe. 
  •  to resolve this situation, one either “handles” the other person’s antagonism with true data about Scientology and the Church or, as a last resort, when all attempts to handle have failed, one “disconnects” from or stops communicating with the person. 
  •  Garry Scarff has said that he used to be an OSA operative. He in a sworn deposition taken between July and August 1993 and submitted in Church of Scientology International vs. Steven Fishman and Uwe Geertz, Scarff testified, “…I was directed, one, to go to Chicago, Illinois and to murder Cynthia Kisser, Cynthia Kisser being the Executive Director of the Cult Awareness Network. These are rich people with a loose sense of reality. Dangerous. People.  
  •  It’s similar to psychology in that it starts with the auditing session and unburdening yourself. But then has the potential to blackmail you with that information due to all sessions being recorded. Then they gradually cut you off from everyone you know, and slowly brainwash you into submission. Anyone who joins in this day and age has a mental illness. 

Sources: 

  • Various scientology websites. Since it is a religion, I assume they are all created and wholly endorsed by the church of scientology. According to WikiLeaks there are currently 2,070 of these websites.   
  • https://www.exscn.net/content/view/171/97/index.html – ex scientologist talking about the OSA 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. We all know who the only winner ever in scientology is so let me take it straight from the horse’s mouth. “I’ll not always be here on guard. The stars twinkle in the Milky Way and the wind sighs for songs across the empty fields of a planet a Galaxy away. You won’t always be here. But before you go, whisper this to your sons and their sons – “The work was free. Keep it so.” He said that at the end of a Clearing Procedure, 1957. Someone paid for that session. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who put pineapple on pizza, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week for more arguments. We hope to disagree with you soon