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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that feels like it gives you two extra kidneys. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about The Minimum wage! We will also be arguing about twerking and hitchhiking. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Let’s do some basic math. Let’s say we’re raising the minimum wage by 5 dollars. the cost of employing someone goes up by about $5 per human right? So, if I run a coffee shop with 10 employees working 8-hour days, my cost of doing business per hour just went up $50 per hour or $400 per day. Now the average coffee shop makes an average of 2.5% profit margin so lets be generous and say I sell a $5 cup of coffee. I’m still only making 15 cents per. Which means I have to sell an additional 2,800 cups of coffee to make up the difference. That’s a clearly an unreasonable amount of growth to expect from anyone who isn’t Starbucks, so how on earth could anyone say that raising minimum wage wouldn’t result in price increases? 
  • We are now going to tackle the myth that minimum wage reduces poverty. The congressional budget office examined how increasing the federal minimum wage to $10, $12, and $15 per hour by 2025 would affect employment and family income. They found that raising it to that $15 mark would result in 1.3 million jobless folks and lose overall 3.8 Mileys from the workforce. The amount of people lifted out of poverty by this is around 1.3 mil. However, raising it to the $10 mark would lift about 3.5 Mileys out of poverty and have negligible changes to the amount of people in poverty. My next question is how many people are you willing to sacrifice, and can you tell me their names? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – should twerking be a nationally recognized sport? 
  • I want to share with you a statistic that will shock you! (DUH DUH DUH!) Minimum wage has not kept up with inflation. (duh duh duh!). I’ll say it again, minimum wage has not kept up with inflation. The inflation debate is one I’m particularly interested in because it pits two factors against each other. Those factors are wage growth and productivity. See if the minimum wage were to have kept up with normal wage growth it would be somewhere around $11.62. However, if it rose based on Americans productivity then it would be somewhere around $20. Currently we rank 5th in the world for most productive workers only coming in behind bullshit euro trash countries with like 500 people in them. Do you guys know what that means?  
  • The employment policies institute recently surveyed 166 economists on the subject of raising the minimum wage. They all overwhelmingly opposed it. One of the reasons was that empirical evidence found that teens and youths exposed to higher minimum wages have lower wages and earnings when they are in their late twenties, consistent with reduced skill acquisition. That means raising the minimum wage makes it harder for low skilled young people to find their way to a university to increase their skill and by proxy their pay level. Why do you guys think that is? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – When is ok to pick up a hitchhiker 
  • We’re in a new age of business wouldn’t you guys say? The companies of the past have gone away and the new ones are constantly evolving to keep up with the youngins. I want to talk about a small business that recently said that it would have to close the doors to half their facilities if minimum wage were raised to $15. Vice president of this salt of the earth company said doubling the minimum wage would be catastrophic to his business and is unsustainable. Yes, we often forget about the ma and pa businesses like white castle that would be vastly displaced by the minimum wage being increased. So, is the businesses at fault for not adapting to a changing environment, or is this communist China? 
  • Ok guys. I know I fuck around a lot we these questions but we are going to end on something serious today. And I already know what you’re going to say so I’m just going to get it out of the way and then we can move on. Recently Illinois, California, and 5 other states hopped on the bad idea train that is raising the minimum wage, and that sparked a debate across the country. Among the results of that debate we found out that 75% of Americans support raising the minimum wage. 6% of economists support raising the minimum wage. And 100% of business owners will hire less workers and focus more on Automation. Last question, WHY DO YOU WANT THE ROBOTS TO TAKE MY JOB!? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • .how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • .Help the poor  
  •  Help the poor 
  •  Help the poor 
  •  Help the poor 
  •  Help the poor 
  •  Help the poor 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

  •  Raise the minimum wage 
  •  Fight for 15 
  •  Action Now 

Key people: 

  • Penny Pritzker  
  •  Karl Marx 
  •  Bernie Sanders 
  •  Vladimir Lenin 
  • Alan Greenspan 

Key Movies:  

  •  Wage crisis 
  •  We the Economy 
  •  Waging a living 
  • Life on Minimum wage 

Argument Against 

  • .Kill the poor 
  • . Kill the poor 
  • . Kill the poor 
  • Kill the poor 
  • Kill the poor 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Tom Harkin 
  •  Paul Krugman 
  •  Joseph stiglitz. 
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Key groups: 

  •  Rebuild America 
  •  Economist intelligence unit 
  •  Global Economics group 
  • The Rothchild Family 

Key Movies: 

  •  Inequality for all 
  •  Hourly America 
  •  Bottom Dollar 
  •  Something Ventured 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. The real minimum wage is zero. Thomas Sowell, ladies and gentleman. If you are for raising the minimum wage then I suggest you get in touch with the fight for $15 organization and see how you can help out. If you want minimum wage kept the same or outlawed entirely, then I suggest you try to revive the tea party movement. Good luck. If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as sasquatch enthusiasts, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is on the website ValidArguments.org. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us as well. and please join us in two weeks when we’ll have more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Gentrification: Valid Arguments

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that will make you think twice about that tinder message you just sent. Stefan.  I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Gentrification! We will also be arguing about fruits and veggies, and tent making. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on gentrification, and which cities you think, need it the most? milo 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Proponents of gentrification will tell you that gentrification is a natural process that has always taken place. Neighborhoods get popular, property values go up. Opponents will tell you that this is class warfare. That these neighborhoods need to be preserved to avoid cities becoming exclusively rich people. Is there any weight to this gentrification stuff or is it a lot of poor people whining about rich people like always? milo 
  •  Let’s move on to displacement. We all rented for a good period of time. Migration among renters is high whether a neighborhood becomes fancy or not. So why should it be any different when the millennials move in? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Do vegetables have feelings? milo 
  • A lot of these problems seem to stem from absentee owners and rent controlled areas. It seems to me that if these Mr. Heckle like cretons we call landlords were regulated; we could solve this thing wholesale. So Why shouldn’t we just burn all the landlords like the witches that they are? No Absentee owners, no problem, right? joel 
  •  Well I gotta say guys. All this gentrification talk makes me think of how much money I don’t have. So, hypothetically, if someone wanted to be proactive, what are the first signs can poor people can look out for if they think their area is starting to be gentrified? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is camping really fun? Or a tradition we’re all lying to ourselves about? 
  • One of the things that I’ve been reading about is that when people buy houses, their property value goes up during gentrification. As a homeowner, that makes me want to find a couple of feminine construction workers and start gentrifying my own neighborhood. So, my question is where do you get off wanting me to have lower property value?! 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • I want to talk about what’s called tax abatement. A tax abatement is a financial incentive that eliminates or significantly reduces the amount of taxes that an owner pays on a piece of residential property. Here’s where the fuckery comes in. Tax abatements also apply to commercial property. So, if you manage to contact an organization that can help your neighborhood obtain a tax abatement program, chances are the gentrifiers can take advantage of it too. You guys think these tax abatements are helping or, just like everything the government gets involved in, are they just making things worse?  
  •  The effects of gentrification can be felt pretty much anywhere near a city or college. You can probably think of a place in your own town that’s starting to look more commercialized and catering to the youth more than your old ass would like. Last question, how do we solve this thing

Argument for: 

  • It’s a bunch of lazy-ass do nothings that want to mooch off the system as much as possible. This is just the latest scheme to do so. 
  •  It shouldn’t. Millennials have every right to pay exorbitant amounts of money to be able to ride their electric scooter to their homemade candle shop while wearing a scarf with a t-shirt from a band “you’ve probably never heard of”. And who are you to take that away from them!? 
  •  Whoa man, that’s really harshing the vibe. Gentrifiers aren’t so much “displacing” people, as they are letting them spread their wings and fly out into the world. 
  •  If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times. Poor people hate homeowners. They’re just looking at you with their freedom to move at any time. Trying to snatch your mortgage right from under you. 
  •  Ya it’s kind of a double standard, but hey, don’t hate the player, hate the game fam. 
  •  Seems like it will work itself out. 

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Argument Against 

  • These people are having their lives uprooted for the sake of vegan bakeries. Is that the type of world you want to live in? Where we care more about pastries than humans?! Why not just put these people right in the oven yourself!? Because that’s what your condemning them to. Ovens. 
  • People shouldn’t have to pick between living in a decent neighborhood and spending their life savings on rent. What’s next, the HOA having mandatory drum circles? Where does this end?! 
  • Burn the Landlords! Burn them ALL!! 
  • Homeowners only see property value go up enough to make a profit if they can afford the inflation of the property taxes you will incur from living in a gentrified area long enough to sell your home. Even with tax abatement programs you will most likely use the profit you made on your home to pay off the back taxes on it.  
  • Just like the government. Robbing peter to pay paul. Like always. 
  • Declaring neighborhoods that are currently being gentrified as untouchable housing markets until suitable housing becomes available. Using the increased tax revenue that the city is getting to do so. Also, Homeownership. Make it easier.  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. In my heart of hearts, I truly believe that Senator Bernie Sanders is the right man to lead this country. Killer Mike, ladies and gentleman. If you are for gentrification I suggest you get a tool belt, contact HGTV and try to work out a deal for yourself. If you want to find a different solution to gentrification, then I suggest you get in touch with the Right to the city and homes for all organizations, and see if there’s anything you can do to help out.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think chain wallets are making a comeback, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Joel pops in. “guys! We got our first bad review!”  

Awesome what does it say?! 

Joel reads review. 

Arguing about being Edge-lords. 

Jeremy tells milo it’s not as easy as just reading stuff.  

Milo decides to be the host(like a Dickhead). 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about a sex worker and a wealthy businessman that fall hard for one another. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about sex work, but mostly we will be quoting pretty woman. We will also be arguing about marriage, and Fashion. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by each of you telling me about a time in your life where you, yourself have felt like a sex worker. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  You guys familiar with the 10th amendment? It is perhaps my favorite amendment. It reads, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” It basically says that the states have every right, individually, to give the federal government the finger. I wanted to start with that because prostitution is a state’s rights issue. My question for you guys is should this be seen as an equality issue and thus fall under the purview of the federal government? 
  •  If you are listening to this than you know I don’t like to skirt around big issues. The biggest issue surrounding sex workers today is the potential for it to cross the line into sex trafficking. Given that we, as we say all the time, are three white guys from the Midwest who don’t know anything. My next question is should we even touch this one?  
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is love is a good basis for marriage
  • One of the problems I personally have with sex work is the perception that people are commodities that can be bought and sold. If paying for sex is normalized, I believe it sends a signal to young people that sex is not something that two or more people who like each other do together, but more like a trip to the post office. That sit right with ya’ll? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is fashion important? Or a social construct
  •  There was a study done between 2003 and 2007 on the economics of sex work shows that sex work can bring in anywhere from $39.9 million to $290 million per state. That’s a shitload! And while that number is very hard to pin down, if it’s anywhere close to that, shouldn’t that be basis alone for exploring the idea as a valid profession? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 

Argument for: 

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Key people: 

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Argument Against 

Sources: 

Key people: 

Key groups: 

  •  The only people against sex work frame their argument as anti human trafficking. 

Key Movies: 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.”. Jerry Falwell, ladies and gentleman. If you are for sex work being decriminalized then I suggest you get in touch with the sex workers project to see how you can help out. If you want to see sex workers outlawed entirely, then vote for kamala Harris.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think we should raise the drinking age, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.