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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about three Phallicious dudes talking about phallic symbols. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Bees! We will also be arguing about eggs and possibly chickens, and we’ll explore our fight or flight responses. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • how did this start? In 2006 there was a hubbub about a bunch of bees disappearing. A false bill of goods was sold to us. the pollination activity from bees is worth about $20 billion a year. But there is a study by the national academy of scientist’s blah blah blah, that says that non bees pollinate as much as bees can. I’m sure your wondering right now what other insects could possibly pollinate? Luckily, I have a list flies, beetles, moths, butterflies, wasps, ants, birds, and bats, and plenty of others. So why do I care about the bees?! Why shouldn’t I say fuck bees all together?! 
  •  Most Beekeepers and bee advocates would have you believe not only that bees are the only pollinators in the world, but that honeys are bees are the most important/only bee in existence. Luckily there’s someone like me spittin truth about what’s really goin on. There’s tons of bees! There’s almost 4,000 types of bees, and all of them together only make up about 30% of our actual pollinators. and when it comes to honey bees, they aren’t even that important. The only reason they’re even going extinct is because those dipshits in california can’t get enough almonds! So you answer me this, WHO NEEDS THAT MANY ALMONDS!? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Should all drugs be legalized? 
  •  Bees are die from a combination of factors. Currently bees are dying out from varroa mites, new diseases, inadequate nutrition, and as I’ve said, almonds. Currently the loss rate has steadily declined since the 2008 crisis and many countries even show a net positive depending on the year. So my next question. At what point do we start comparing bee keepers complaining about dead bees to hellfire preachers with cardboard signs, yelling on the street about how the end is near? 
  •  Let’s talk about honey. Honey is being adulterated! In 2013  US customs charged Five people and two honey-processing companies with dumping honey imports from China, including some that were (their words) adulterated. They were adulterated specifically with the antibiotic chloramphenicol in an operation dubbed Project Honeygate. Chloraphenicol is used to treat meningitis, plague, cholera, and typhoid fever. This was technically the largest food fraud case in history at the time. So why don’t I give a shit about the largest food fraud case in history? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should the death penalty be abolished? 
  •  .One of the biggest things that piss me off about honey bees when people talk about saving them is the glaring fact that they are not from our ecosystem. Settlers brought them here right before slaughtering countless natives. I think my question is obvious at this point. Why did the early colonizers like almonds so much? 
  •  .We all know that bees die from a number of factors, some human, some not. My next question is about pesticides. In may 2019 as an effort to please hippies, the EPA banned several neonicotinoids that have been proven harmful to bees. It was touted as a big win for both growers and beekeepers alike. In July of 2019 the EPA then canceled their study of decline of bee populations and approved a chemical that is potentially harmful to bees. So it seems the government doesn’t give a shit about bees. Why should I?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • .How do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Bees are people too!  
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 

Sources: 

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Key groups: 

Key people: 

Key Movies:  

  •  Burts buzz 
  •  Queen of the sun 
  •  The last bee keeper 
  • The modest Bee keeper 

Argument Against 

  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro!  

Sources: 

Key people: 

  • Dave Goulson 
  • Paige Embry 
  • Mace Vaughn 
  •   

Key groups: 

Key Movies: 

  • More than Honey  
  •  Vanishing of the bees 
  •  Colony 
  •  Silence of the Bees 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. The only thing I’m afraid of is bees. I don’t like bees. I’m allergic to them. Kobe Bryant, ladies and gentleman. If you are for Bees then I suggest you get in touch with Greenpeace or Bee culture magazine to see how you can help out. If you want bees outlawed entirely, then find your nearest beekeeper and show them this podcast.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who won’t stop bitching about bees, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is on the website, Validarguments.org. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Honey Bees are not native to North America. They were imported by colonists in the 17th century. 

Bees flap their wings over 12000 times a minute

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that’s soon to be replaced with reruns of married with children. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about The Future! We will also be arguing Heart surgery, and colonization. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Let’s start today with a place I’m quite fond of. The Earth. In the last few years, we’ve seen attempts to control the weather as an attempt to weaken possibly catastrophic stormfronts. A lot of conspiracy theorists will tell you we’ve gone even further than that. there has even been an international ban against weaponizing the weather under the Environmental Modification Convention. So, my first question is, do you think there will come a point where we completely control our environment? 
  • Speaking of control over the Earth. Let’s go there. The Government. Drink. The people who deemed it necessary to cloud our lives with so much bullshit that only 46% of people worldwide trust their own leaders. That brings me to the greatest government ever invented. A little country called Estonia. In Estonia the only things the government doesn’t do online is Marriages, Divorces, and real estate transactions. They issue legislation proposals, voting, and even the health of their citizens, is done electronically. So, if that’s not the utopian future we all dream of, what is? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – How much did Dick Cheney pay the guy who donated him a heart? 
  • I bet all of you listening are wondering when we are going to address the big scary elephant in the room. *drum roll* Artificial Intelligence! *crowd goes wild* *drops mic* Who’s ready to talk Terminator?! When is Watson going to link with Siri and make a beautiful bouncing baby overlord to a dystopian race of troll people who used to be called the human race? When is a robot coming to take my job?! 
  • Let’s pretend for Joel’s sake that we don’t completely destroy the earth in the next 30 years. We will still be a bunch of people fighting over who is king turd on shit mountain. Which brings me to a fun military fact. The U.S. Army released a report in 2015 called Visualizing the tactical ground battlefield in the year 2050. In this report they outlined how they believe battlefield technology will progress to the point that automated weapons will make decisions so fast that human operators will become reactionary and have to respond to the machine’s decisions after the fact. Am I weird to find that…. I’m going to say arousing. Slightly terrifying, mostly arousing.  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should we go up or down? (space or ocean) 
  • Let’s turn now from that freedom boner inducing conversation about the military, let’s turn to another kick ass subject. Socio Economic development. A paper published in the Journal of International Development stated a fact and posed a question. The fact is that, most of the world’s poor live in middle‐income countries. This is a shift of course from most of the poor living in the world’s poorest countries, and it has been brought about by fast growth in a number of countries with large populations. This brought about a new geography of global poverty, and begged the question “would you rather have a poor country, or poor people 
  • All this talk about the future has me thinking about the future of entertainment. Over the years we’ve always made entertainment an inclusive and community activity. Today, with streaming content it is easier than ever to experience entertainment alone. The one exception to this rule is MMO’s. Do you guys see this as a last Bastian of keeping aloft a failing social fabric, or will we all be uploaded to the cloud one day?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Cautious optimism  
  • Cautious optimism 
  • Cautious optimism 
  • Cautious optimism 
  • Cautious optimism 
  • Attractive women have more babies 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

  •  American league against war and fascism 
  •  Sierra Club 
  •  The association for Professional Futurists 

Key people: 

  •  Dr. Sheffield (beak guy) 
  •  Nikola Tesla 
  •  Arthur C. Clarke 
  •  Michio Kaku 
  • Ray Kurzwell 

Key Movies:  

  •  Do you Trust this Computer? 
  •  Our Planet 
  •  Last Call at the Oasis 
  • Printing the Legend 
  • H.G. Wells – The time Machine 

Argument Against 

  • Burn it down! 
  • Burn it down! 
  • Burn it down! 
  • Burn it down! 
  • Burn it down! 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Jonathan Franzen 
  •  Ned Ludd 
  •  George Meller 
  •  Alex Jones 

Key groups: 

  •  The Luddites 
  •  The Oath Keepers 
  •  The Patriot Movement 
  • Global Warming Skeptic organizations 

Key Movies: 

  •  Before the flood 
  •  Food Inc. 
  •  The Future of Work and Death 
  •  Human Flow 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. You can’t connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So, you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something – your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life. Steve Jobs, ladies and gentleman. If you are for the future then I suggest you get an education and start planning how to create it. If you want future gone entirely, then get yourself a can of hairspray or some aerosol deodorant and start emptying that shit right into the sky.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as the creator of SPAM, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is Valid Arguments. A show about the world’s best men at work tribute band. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the end of the world! And the different ways that may present itself. We will also be arguing bathroom etiquette, and Netflix. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Let’s start with the most likely scenario that will lead to human extinction. Skynet. Based on all my research into this company, I’d say our only hope is to elect Arnold Schwarzenegger for President. That way he can get to work preventing the robot uprising before it begins. Would you both agree that this is the most likely way we end as a civilization? 
  • Some people would have you believe that a more reasonable extinction event would involve robots indirectly killing us in the form of taking our jobs. I’m talking about Computer-integrated manufacturing. it’s the manufacturing approach of using computers to control the entire production process. This integration allows individual processes to exchange information with each other and initiate actions. This process is already used widely in the transportation industry. So which industry will the next generation of homeless people be screaming about? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – should men have to put the toilet seat down or should women leave it up? 
  • With increasing strife from increased homelessness, there will no doubt be a large hippy led movement to feed these lazy assholes. That’s going to be problematic. Mostly because it will lead to a massive food shortage. It’s the classic trolley problem. Do we let these good for nothing homeless people die so that we may live? Or do we all die together of inevitable starvation? 
  • With no food left our only option will be to steal other people’s food. You know what that means! War! And lots of it! So much so that we will probably nuke ourselves into extinction. Yes, just like Steve Buscemi in Armageddon, we will ride that nuke like John Wayne into what used to be a sunset, but is now just a cloud of radiated death. The only question is…Who do we nuke first guys? My vote is *****(will change several times) -Jeremy 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Is binge watching the rest of the season without your spouse a form of cheating? 
  • We did it. We nuked ourselves into extinction. The ones left live in harmony with abundant resources and no more oppressive governments trying to control our chaotic blue rock. The only problem we have left is the dropping temperatures from the oncoming ice age. Nuclear winter is upon us! What kind of coat do you get? I think we all know the answer. -Jeremy 
  • You did it guys! You picked the right coat, so to speak. You survived the ice age and have awakened to a brave new world. All the squabbles and petty differences of our past society are gone. What could possibly extinct you now? Except for maybe YOUR OWN BODY! That’s right, there is a deadly contagion running rampant through what is left of our great society. Our advanced science of medicines can’t help you now. Do you take the blame and separate yourself from our new society, or do you cough on the guy who was hogging all the good bugs and blame them? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 
  • 2 minutes to midnight 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

  •  Branch Dividians 
  •  Christianity 
  •  Islam 

Key people: 

  •  Leonard Ravenhill 
  • Carter Conlon 
  • David Wilkerson 
  • Keith Daniels  

Key Movies:  

  •  A Bridge Life: Finding Our Way Home 
  •  Chasing Ice 
  •  The Blue Planet 
  • More Than Honey 

Argument Against 

  • We are become death 
  • We are become death  
  • We are become death 
  • We are become death 
  • We are become death 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Nick bostrom 
  •  Dr. Ian Pearson 
  •  Steven Cave 
  •  Leonard Guarente 

Key groups: 

  •  Everyone else 

Key Movies: 

  •  2012: An Awakening 
  •  Cosmic Collisions 
  •  Blind Spot 
  •  Fed Up 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. If I was in a zombie apocalypse, I wouldn’t be playing music, because that would attract zombies. Scott Weiland, ladies and gentleman. If you are for the apocalypse then I suggest you get in touch with me, and I’ll take you to church some time. If you want to go on living a healthy life till the sun eventually explodes then keeping living, you’re doing a great job.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as hard boiled eggs, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about aquaphobic stevedores. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about what I wanted to be when I grew up. Child actors! We will also be arguing about JP morgan, and one of my favorite movies. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • Let’s start with the infamous Lindsay Lohan. She has the most amazing twitter. An excerpt from it reads “WHY is everyone in SUCH a panic about hurricane (I’m calling it Sally) …? Stop projecting negativity! Think positive and pray for peace,”. The hurricane she was referring to was called Sandy, and it killed 285 people. My next question is about social media. How long do child actors get a pass on social media trolling? – milo 
  • Let’s turn now to another big one. Hannah Montana. Now for those of you who don’t know Hanna Montana was the daughter of country music legend Billy Ray Cyrus. Ole Billy ray constructed the persona Hanna Montana for his daughter so she could follow in his footsteps as one of the greatest musicians of all time. We all know her after the government microchipped her and made her grind all up on Robin Thicke. My question is about this transformation process. When is it ok to sexualize a child actor? – Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – I just saw Titanic for the first time. Do you think JP Morgan planned that? 
  •  Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Ryan Gosling. What do they all have in common? They are all former members of the mickey mouse club. They were also all wildly successful after the mickey mouse club. Something I’ve always wondered about that show and specifically those celebrities. Do you think they also have to hate the Jews? 
  • Edward furlong. You know him from such hits as The Crow, and Terminator 2: Judgement day. You may also know him from hitting women. He has been arrested three separate times for hitting a woman, one of which he was actually violating his probation that he got, from hitting a woman. Given the environment these people live in, should we have different rules/laws for child actors? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Was there room for Jack on the door? 
  • Let’s turn now to the original child star. Shirley Temple. That adorable bundle of curls was the poster child for other little ones to get into the entertainment industry. Fun fact about miss Temple, she acquired 2.4 million as a result of her child acting. Another fun fact when her trust was released to her after coming of age, she had accrued 33,000. Pretty good right? My question is about parenting. How much of the money should I keep if I decide to sell my kid to Hollywood? 
  • Let’s talk about JT. I mean JTT. That’s right, Jonathan Taylor Thomas. JTT had glorious run on the show Home Improvement, and then starred as young Simba in the Original Lion King. He then left to pursue education at Harvard, St. Andrews, and Columbia. His last appearance was on the Home improvement reboot and has since spent his time living his life quietly outside the spotlight. The question is, is he an alien, or is it possible for child stars to live normal lives after their 15 minutes is up. 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • How do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Kids Are prostitutes  
  • Kids Are prostitutes 
  • Kids Are prostitutes 
  • Kids Are prostitutes 
  • Kids Are prostitutes 

Sources: 

Key groups: 

Key people: 

  •  Mark collins Rector 
  •  Marty Weiss – currently trying to lighten sex offender laws in california 
  •  Brian singer – brian peck  
  •  Mike harrah 
  • Bob villard 

Key Movies:  

Argument Against 

  • Children should not be abused 
  • Children should not be abused 
  • Children should not be abused 
  • Children should not be abused 
  • Children should not be abused 

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Drew Barrymore 
  •  Ryan Reynolds 
  •  Mara Wilson 
  •  Shirley Temple 

Key groups: 

Key Movies: 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. If you put your kid in show business, skip the show business and put them straight in rehab. Ryan Reynolds, ladies and gentleman. If you are for child actors then I suggest you get in touch with NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association). to see how you can help out. If you want Child stars to be treated more fairly, then get your head out of your ass because that’s never going to happen.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as **********, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is Valid Arguments. A show about three men in their early thirties trying desperately to avoid coming to the inevitable realization that it’s all downhill from here. I’m Joel Barkley, and Today we’re going to be talking about The Military Industrial Complex. We will also be arguing about religion and politics BECAUSE I’M THE FUCKING HOST TODAY. Joining me is Milo “Meat Machine” Mordhorst. (Milo intro). And Jeremy “How Many Hotdogs is Too Many Hotdogs?” Horton. (Jeremy intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by y’all telling me what resource-rich country you would invade-I mean, freedomify, after we get attacked by Saudi nationals again. 

  1. You mean after Iran? Switzerland. Fuck them, and their knives. 
  1. Iceland, New Zealand, Portugal, Austria, or Denmark. The five most peaceful

Questions Joel will ask:  

Question 1: Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root, or KBR, was awarded “sweetheart” contracts to provide basic services like portable toilets and internet for troops during the Iraq War as well as fixing the oil producing infrastructure of the country. They were recouped the costs of providing goods and services and then were given a profit of anywhere between 2 and 7 percent, all on the US taxpayers’ dime. So my first question is: Where the fuck does Dick Cheney get off?  

  1. On himself while looking into a mirror. Also a fun fact they were actually audited to find out where he gets off. The Defense Contract Audit Agency found that $553 million in payments should be disallowed to KBR due to missed meals, and inflated pricing and other shady shit.  
  1. That was 11 years ago you fucking dinosaur. The REAL news, and how I would’ve taken this show is that in February 2018 KBR acquired Stinger Ghaffarian Technologies, a provider of technological solutions as well as mission operations in the aerospace sector, for $355 million. SPACE-FORCE 
     

Question 2: Private military contractors are civilians that provide security services for basically anyone who can afford them. They are essentially mercenaries who work for a corporation. One of the most infamous private military companies is Academi, formerly known as Blackwater. The 2004 Battle of Fallujah, the bloodiest chapter in the Iraq War, was due in part to four Blackwater contractors being killed and their bodies desecrated. In 2007, Blackwater contractors were involved in what they alleged was a shootout in a heavily populated market, but it was later revealed that the contractors were the first to open fire on a car in front of their vehicle and subsequently massacred a reported 20 Iraqi civilians. These events brought to light the US military’s reliance upon private military contractors to wage wars. So, should we even support the troops anymore? 

  1. Of course we should, fuck face. You have to be a part of the troops to become a contractor.  
  1. Quick correction,  Academi was actually acquired by the constellis group along with a bunch of other PMC companies. So soon enough, they may be the troops. 
  1. The more troops fighting here privately, the more the public sector will have to send our troops to space 
  1. In High conflict areas, Contractors make up about 10-20% of the population. The balance of contractors. That’s of course based on an estimation that this is about 10-20% of the data we have on contractors. For more go to Icasualties.org. They have attempted to record as much of this mess as possible.  
  1. Militaries that use PMC’s mostly use them for menial tasks because they don’t trust a gun for hire. 
  1.  
     

Palette Cleanser 1: My first palette cleanser deals with religion. I wanna know: Who’s the most fuckable religious figure  

  1.  
    Shiva. Three babes 4 arms each. Use your imagination folks. Or Ganesh. I’ve always wanted to fuck an elephant. 
  1. Mormons have a Space God. Perfect for Space Force! 

Question 3: Staying with Private Military Companies and contractors, recently on February 7th of 2018, there was a large battle between about 40 US Special Forces operators and a handful of pro-Syrian government forces along with hundreds Russian mercenaries trying to take control of an oil refinery. The four-hour long battle saw the US commandos calling in air support against a collection of tanks, armored personnel carriers and other heavy weapons. After the dust cleared, between 200 and 300 “pro-regime” forces were dead and not one American casualty had resulted. This episode highlighted the ability of countries, like Russia, to fight proxy wars against its enemies using private military contractors and have plausible deniability when it comes to their culpability in such military actions. So what are the chances Jeff Bezos buys his own army to take over the world in order to further his goals of world domination and an outstanding customer experience? 

  1. Somewhere between 100 and 100%. 
  1. In December he was quoted as saying in regards to tech in military. “This is not a sporting competition. You don’t want to fight fair.” and followed it up with “we’ve had an advantage in space. I’m very nervous that is changing rapidly. It’s also noteworthy that he is currently dumping around 1bn annually into his space company “blue origin” that vows to send paying customers to space. I bet the customer service is way better than delta. One more step towards SPACE-FORCE! 

Question 4: Switching gears now, I want to talk about the all-too-cozy relationship between the Military Industrial Complex and corporate media. General Electric, one of the largest Private Military Companies in the US, used to own NBC and enjoyed news coverage during the Gulf War that portrayed GE-made weapons and other military hardware in a decidedly pro-war light and downplayed or even omitted civilian deaths that resulted from the use of these weapons. This kind of war coverage would continue through the wars in Afghanistan and later Iraq and even recently when the US used cruise missiles against a Syrian government airbase. It’s not hard to make the connection of pro-war coverage by nearly every corporate owned media outlet and sponsorship dollars from Boeing, GE, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin among others. So is getting a rock-hard freedom-boner when watching news coverage of the latest airstrike in whatever country full of brown people we’ve invaded that week a completely normal American response?  

  1. It depends on how hot the newscaster is. If they put some uggo on there to push some war propaganda at us, that’s a deal breaker. 
  1. We will be constantly jerking off in space anyway so might as well have a freedom boner. Space is boring. 
  1.  
     

Hamm’s Segment 

Question 5: Corporations that are a part of the defense industry spend millions lobbying Congress every year. In 2015, defense contractors greatly increased their lobbying expenditures as there was a cap limiting defense spending by the government; the more that Congress approves for defense spending, the more money these companies make. So it stands to reason that when our country goes to war or otherwise uses more military hardware that is manufactured by these defense contractors, that only helps their bottom line. Should we be worried that companies within the Military Industrial Complex have so much leverage over our politicians or am I just being paranoid? What are those black SUVs that followed me over here even doing? Do you guys hear that high pitched tone when you talk on the phone, too? WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE BEES??  

  1. Fuck bees. China actually did an experiment where they painted pollen onto flowers manually, and found that the yield from them was 30-40% higher than when bees did it. We are better than bees. Don’t need em. They can fuck off. 
  1. Do we even need bees in space? Are there space flowers? 
     

Palette Cleanser 2: Should politicians in Congress who vote to go to war be forced to fight in that war? What about their kids or grandkids? 

  1. You really want them fighting a war for you? It’s a fact that poor people fight better. It’s the hunger. Makes em strong. 
  1. Maybe make them front lines, with a more strategically placed second line of actual soldiers. 
  1. They wouldn’t even be able to breathe outside of our atmosphere. 

Question 6: War is profitable. It makes a lot of people a lot of money. Death, destruction, displacement and despair mean nothing to people who cash blood soaked checks written by Uncle Sam. So last question guys, how do we solve this thing? 

  1. You guys played killzone right? What’d that successful franchise have that we don’t? That’s right. The ISA. The interplanetary strategic alliance. Luckily we don’t have to settle for something as dumb as the ISA. We have spaceforce! 
     

Outro: *summarize Jeremy and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. The winner of today’s show had this to say: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.” President Dwight D. Eisenhower. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks, Milo and Jeremy, for coming on my show and sharing your thoughts on the subject. We here at valid arguments 

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that’s fair and balanced, as all things should be. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about zoos, again. We’re calling it zoos 2: electric boogaloo! We will also be arguing about fitness, and spending time with your family. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now we’ll get into the questions but we should address that this is actually not an episode about zoos but rather animal extinction, and the various ways it takes place. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Let’s start today with a sentiment that I think everyone can relate to. Some species need to go extinct. The passenger pigeon was useless. It’s even sometimes necessary to introduce a non-indigenous species to control another species that’s not only being useless but hurting the environment. My first question is that is there a case to be made for hunting useless animals to extinction? jeremy 
  •  A lot of this argument centers around the extinction of animals. If there was no danger of these animals going extinct, it wouldn’t be illegal to hunt them. Now Pandas are dumb. So dumb that they will most likely go extinct without anyone hunting or selling them to rich folks. So, on the flip side of my last question, should we stop certain animals from going extinct that would otherwise do so? joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Can people go to the gym without telling you about it
  •  You guys eat stuff, right? Ya me too. I bring it up because here in America we eat animals at a completely unsustainable rate. As far as exotic animals, we don’t. We hardly eat them at all. 2-part question here. Should we eat more endangered animals, and do they taste better? joel 
  •  This next question is a philosophical one and one that we here at Valid Arguments have debated time and time again. Are humans a part of nature? Therefore, rendering anything we do or any animal we make go extinct as a natural occurrence. milo 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – which holiday is the worst? 
  •  I love elephants. I watched a video of an elephant yesterday where it painted a picture of an elephant with its trunk. It was so adorable. Anyway, my question is does ivory give you a boner? 
  •  Next up I think I have a pretty easy valid argument here. I’ve worn several fur coats and every time I am not disappointed. They’re warm, comfortable, and give you that feeling of superiority that only killing one of the last snow leopards can give you. With that, are fur coats super awesome? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • .How do we solve this thing? 

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  • Save the animals!! 
  • Save the animals!! 
  • Save the animals!! 
  • Save the animals!!  
  • Save the animals!! 
  • Save the animals!! 

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  • Kill the animals! 
  • Kill the animals! 
  • Kill the animals! 
  • Kill the animals! 
  • Kill the animals! 

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summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. If anyone’s going to bring about mass extinction, it’ll be Donald Trump. Nikki Glaser, ladies and gentleman. If you are for the exotic animal trade then I suggest you move to a country with exotic animals and buy a high-powered rifle. If you want the senseless extinction of animals outlawed entirely, then I suggest you get in touch with the world wildlife fund and see how you can help out.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who eat pizza with a fork, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about fuckwads. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the thing that keeps our world turning, manners! We will also be arguing about clowns, and relevant legislation. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I’ll get into the questions in a minute but first a quick word from our sponsor today. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Let’s start with a simple one. Now I’m not a big advocate of capital punishment, but when it comes to certain people, I think a firing squad wouldn’t be the worst idea in the world. My first question is should we give people that don’t say thank you, the death penalty? 
  •  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Old people suck. Do you know who else sucks? Young people. Young people will bitch about really anything, and the youth is looking more and more like a bunch of dead eyed mouth breathers every day. My question is about technology. Do you guys think that the massive technological advancements we’ve seen recently, have contributed to these bad-mannered shitheads? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is a fear of clown’s irrational? 
  • There’s nothing I hate more than some mannerless little kid in the grocery store screaming, throwing themselves on the ground, and threatening to stab cashiers with a fondue fork. So, should you be able to discipline other people’s kids if they’re being shitheads in public? 
  • This episode is kind of lacking my usual fun facts. Let me share one with you guys about manners. 71% of hiring managers said they valued their employees’ emotional intelligence over their IQ. According to Brighton. With that statistic in mind do success and good manners go hand in hand? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – you get to make one law, what is it? 
  • Driving to the studio today I saw a smidge of grass. The reason I only saw a little bit of grass is that where the grass was supposed to be, there was a bunch of Styrofoam bullshit being thrown out of car windows all along the road. I think this one will be a Valid argument. Chemical castration for people that litter? We only get one earth. 
  • I am not a big fan of our school system. I think they teach us a lot of less than important things that prepare us for little more than more time in school, while life skills are slashed or cut out all together from the curriculum. Next question is should manners be taught in school? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • how do we solve this thing? 

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  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 
  • P’s and Q’s 

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  • Slap people in the face 
  • spit off of overpasses onto pedestrians 
  • don’t flush the toilet after taking a huge shit 
  • Don’t Tip  
  • Don’t hold doors, slam them in people’s faces  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. T stands for being nice. T stands for manners. T stands for being polite, Mr. T ladies and gentleman. If you are for good manners then I suggest you get in touch with an etiquette school in your area and see how you can help out. If you want manners outlawed entirely, then just keep being a jackass.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as that guy at the party with an acoustic guitar, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about forgiveness, morality, and understanding who among us should be hurled into the sun for their shitty opinions. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about the one day we get off our fat asses and decide to care about something, black Friday! We will also be arguing about reading, and acronyms. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on black Friday and what goods you’re prepared to throw down for this year. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  I’m really excited for Black Friday. It’s by far my favorite holiday of the year. Mass chaos that is bottled and sent directly to me in YouTube Format. What could be Better? Now in recent years we’ve heard a lot about black Friday being dead and shoppers relying mainly on online deals to get in their fix of that sweet sweet capitalism. The results of last year’s black Friday say different, that the event say it was the biggest year ever, pulling in around 6.2 billion dollars in a day. So, first question, is black Friday really dead or is this another thing millennials hope to say enough times that it eventually becomes true? milo 
  •  Here’s some fun stats. The average savings of a big box store any given day around the holidays is around 20%. Black Friday sees that avg jump to about 37%. My next question is for Joel. I know you like to save a penny wherever possible, so given those stats, is the extra 17% worth the carnage and river of blood that fills the aisles of Walmart’s around the country? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Are books better than movies? 
  •  You guys ever watch any fighting sports? I ask because I love that shit. I love the WWE, UFC, and the NFL. But they pale in comparison to the amateur bum fights that encapsulate black Friday. The death count is currently at 12 deaths and 117 injuries. So, if black Friday starts to decline and we see less of that, I don’t know that America will be able to cope the lack of violence that we so desperately need. Next question, if the fights stop, how long before we institute a purge? milo 
  •  I want to talk now about debt. We all have it. We all hate it. It’s estimated that American credit card companies own about 1 trillion dollars in debt. It’s also estimated that 25% of Americans take 3 months or more to pay off their debt from Black Friday. This question is for our economics majors. Is that enough debt to stimulate our economy? joel 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is it Gif or Gif? 
  •  I found out something interesting in doing research for this episode and looking for free soup at the same time. It turns out, that a lot of homeless people will camp outside of stores with everyone else in an attempt to get a good night’s rest. Too bad for them, because they ain’t buying. As a result of their rejection of capitalism, they face fines and jail time. That seems fair right? milo 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • I’m not sure if my usual last question applies to Black Friday, because I’m not sure there is anything to solve here. But I guess I’ll ask it anyway. Guys, how do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Those millennial trash people are a bunch of terds. Capitalist hating terds. 
  •  Hell yes, they’re worth it! I’ll punch a pregnant lady in the face for 80% off a tv. 
  •  Unnecessary. Our yearly offering to the capitalist gods will never cease to exist, so I reject your question.  
  •  Totally fair. They’re taking up consumer space. Those spaces are reserved for people who are buying stuff that they need, not dirty, rotten freeloaders. 
  •  These things tend to work themselves out. 

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  •  I could not find any activists rallying for Black Friday rights 

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Argument Against 

  • Online sales jumped last year, up 28% to $3.7 billion on Thanksgiving, according to Adobe Analytics. As of 10 a.m. Eastern Time on Black Friday, online spending was up 27.8% to $643 million. Millennials are inevitable, old man. Inevitable.  
  • Is that tv really worth your life? 12 people have died! This is an epidemic!  
  • Ya that’s true, we will need something. The obvious choice I guess is socialism. A compelling case could be made for communism as well. 
  • These people don’t even have a roof over their heads and then they’re arrested for trying to get a night’s sleep without being shivved by dirty mike and the molester boys.  
  • Maybe we can just charge a fair price year round instead of jacking up the prices until we are all so fed up with them that we resort to beating people over the head with a table set.  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. Some people see Black Friday as a much-needed break for their wallet. I see it as retail outlets showing the customers the full weight of their contempt. The frenzy to buy cheap crap from China, the human downgrade of people fighting with each other over items they can probably live without, to me, is an insult. Henry Rollins, ladies and gentleman. If you are for sex work being decriminalized then I suggest you get in touch with the sex workers project to see how you can help out. If you want to see sex workers outlawed entirely, then vote for kamala Harris.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think green plants are flowers, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Gentrification: Valid Arguments

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show that will make you think twice about that tinder message you just sent. Stefan.  I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Gentrification! We will also be arguing about fruits and veggies, and tent making. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on gentrification, and which cities you think, need it the most? milo 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Proponents of gentrification will tell you that gentrification is a natural process that has always taken place. Neighborhoods get popular, property values go up. Opponents will tell you that this is class warfare. That these neighborhoods need to be preserved to avoid cities becoming exclusively rich people. Is there any weight to this gentrification stuff or is it a lot of poor people whining about rich people like always? milo 
  •  Let’s move on to displacement. We all rented for a good period of time. Migration among renters is high whether a neighborhood becomes fancy or not. So why should it be any different when the millennials move in? Joel 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Do vegetables have feelings? milo 
  • A lot of these problems seem to stem from absentee owners and rent controlled areas. It seems to me that if these Mr. Heckle like cretons we call landlords were regulated; we could solve this thing wholesale. So Why shouldn’t we just burn all the landlords like the witches that they are? No Absentee owners, no problem, right? joel 
  •  Well I gotta say guys. All this gentrification talk makes me think of how much money I don’t have. So, hypothetically, if someone wanted to be proactive, what are the first signs can poor people can look out for if they think their area is starting to be gentrified? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is camping really fun? Or a tradition we’re all lying to ourselves about? 
  • One of the things that I’ve been reading about is that when people buy houses, their property value goes up during gentrification. As a homeowner, that makes me want to find a couple of feminine construction workers and start gentrifying my own neighborhood. So, my question is where do you get off wanting me to have lower property value?! 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • I want to talk about what’s called tax abatement. A tax abatement is a financial incentive that eliminates or significantly reduces the amount of taxes that an owner pays on a piece of residential property. Here’s where the fuckery comes in. Tax abatements also apply to commercial property. So, if you manage to contact an organization that can help your neighborhood obtain a tax abatement program, chances are the gentrifiers can take advantage of it too. You guys think these tax abatements are helping or, just like everything the government gets involved in, are they just making things worse?  
  •  The effects of gentrification can be felt pretty much anywhere near a city or college. You can probably think of a place in your own town that’s starting to look more commercialized and catering to the youth more than your old ass would like. Last question, how do we solve this thing

Argument for: 

  • It’s a bunch of lazy-ass do nothings that want to mooch off the system as much as possible. This is just the latest scheme to do so. 
  •  It shouldn’t. Millennials have every right to pay exorbitant amounts of money to be able to ride their electric scooter to their homemade candle shop while wearing a scarf with a t-shirt from a band “you’ve probably never heard of”. And who are you to take that away from them!? 
  •  Whoa man, that’s really harshing the vibe. Gentrifiers aren’t so much “displacing” people, as they are letting them spread their wings and fly out into the world. 
  •  If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times. Poor people hate homeowners. They’re just looking at you with their freedom to move at any time. Trying to snatch your mortgage right from under you. 
  •  Ya it’s kind of a double standard, but hey, don’t hate the player, hate the game fam. 
  •  Seems like it will work itself out. 

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  • These people are having their lives uprooted for the sake of vegan bakeries. Is that the type of world you want to live in? Where we care more about pastries than humans?! Why not just put these people right in the oven yourself!? Because that’s what your condemning them to. Ovens. 
  • People shouldn’t have to pick between living in a decent neighborhood and spending their life savings on rent. What’s next, the HOA having mandatory drum circles? Where does this end?! 
  • Burn the Landlords! Burn them ALL!! 
  • Homeowners only see property value go up enough to make a profit if they can afford the inflation of the property taxes you will incur from living in a gentrified area long enough to sell your home. Even with tax abatement programs you will most likely use the profit you made on your home to pay off the back taxes on it.  
  • Just like the government. Robbing peter to pay paul. Like always. 
  • Declaring neighborhoods that are currently being gentrified as untouchable housing markets until suitable housing becomes available. Using the increased tax revenue that the city is getting to do so. Also, Homeownership. Make it easier.  

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. In my heart of hearts, I truly believe that Senator Bernie Sanders is the right man to lead this country. Killer Mike, ladies and gentleman. If you are for gentrification I suggest you get a tool belt, contact HGTV and try to work out a deal for yourself. If you want to find a different solution to gentrification, then I suggest you get in touch with the Right to the city and homes for all organizations, and see if there’s anything you can do to help out.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think chain wallets are making a comeback, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.

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Joel pops in. “guys! We got our first bad review!”  

Awesome what does it say?! 

Joel reads review. 

Arguing about being Edge-lords. 

Jeremy tells milo it’s not as easy as just reading stuff.  

Milo decides to be the host(like a Dickhead). 

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about a sex worker and a wealthy businessman that fall hard for one another. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about sex work, but mostly we will be quoting pretty woman. We will also be arguing about marriage, and Fashion. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by each of you telling me about a time in your life where you, yourself have felt like a sex worker. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  You guys familiar with the 10th amendment? It is perhaps my favorite amendment. It reads, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” It basically says that the states have every right, individually, to give the federal government the finger. I wanted to start with that because prostitution is a state’s rights issue. My question for you guys is should this be seen as an equality issue and thus fall under the purview of the federal government? 
  •  If you are listening to this than you know I don’t like to skirt around big issues. The biggest issue surrounding sex workers today is the potential for it to cross the line into sex trafficking. Given that we, as we say all the time, are three white guys from the Midwest who don’t know anything. My next question is should we even touch this one?  
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Is love is a good basis for marriage
  • One of the problems I personally have with sex work is the perception that people are commodities that can be bought and sold. If paying for sex is normalized, I believe it sends a signal to young people that sex is not something that two or more people who like each other do together, but more like a trip to the post office. That sit right with ya’ll? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – is fashion important? Or a social construct
  •  There was a study done between 2003 and 2007 on the economics of sex work shows that sex work can bring in anywhere from $39.9 million to $290 million per state. That’s a shitload! And while that number is very hard to pin down, if it’s anywhere close to that, shouldn’t that be basis alone for exploring the idea as a valid profession? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment 

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  •  The only people against sex work frame their argument as anti human trafficking. 

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Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. “Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.”. Jerry Falwell, ladies and gentleman. If you are for sex work being decriminalized then I suggest you get in touch with the sex workers project to see how you can help out. If you want to see sex workers outlawed entirely, then vote for kamala Harris.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who think we should raise the drinking age, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon.