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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about three Phallicious dudes talking about phallic symbols. I’m Jeremy Horton, and Today were going to be talking about Bees! We will also be arguing about eggs and possibly chickens, and we’ll explore our fight or flight responses. Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I will get into the questions in a minute, but first let’s have a word from our sponsor. 

Questions I will ask: 

  • how did this start? In 2006 there was a hubbub about a bunch of bees disappearing. A false bill of goods was sold to us. the pollination activity from bees is worth about $20 billion a year. But there is a study by the national academy of scientist’s blah blah blah, that says that non bees pollinate as much as bees can. I’m sure your wondering right now what other insects could possibly pollinate? Luckily, I have a list flies, beetles, moths, butterflies, wasps, ants, birds, and bats, and plenty of others. So why do I care about the bees?! Why shouldn’t I say fuck bees all together?! 
  •  Most Beekeepers and bee advocates would have you believe not only that bees are the only pollinators in the world, but that honeys are bees are the most important/only bee in existence. Luckily there’s someone like me spittin truth about what’s really goin on. There’s tons of bees! There’s almost 4,000 types of bees, and all of them together only make up about 30% of our actual pollinators. and when it comes to honey bees, they aren’t even that important. The only reason they’re even going extinct is because those dipshits in california can’t get enough almonds! So you answer me this, WHO NEEDS THAT MANY ALMONDS!? 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Should all drugs be legalized? 
  •  Bees are die from a combination of factors. Currently bees are dying out from varroa mites, new diseases, inadequate nutrition, and as I’ve said, almonds. Currently the loss rate has steadily declined since the 2008 crisis and many countries even show a net positive depending on the year. So my next question. At what point do we start comparing bee keepers complaining about dead bees to hellfire preachers with cardboard signs, yelling on the street about how the end is near? 
  •  Let’s talk about honey. Honey is being adulterated! In 2013  US customs charged Five people and two honey-processing companies with dumping honey imports from China, including some that were (their words) adulterated. They were adulterated specifically with the antibiotic chloramphenicol in an operation dubbed Project Honeygate. Chloraphenicol is used to treat meningitis, plague, cholera, and typhoid fever. This was technically the largest food fraud case in history at the time. So why don’t I give a shit about the largest food fraud case in history? 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Should the death penalty be abolished? 
  •  .One of the biggest things that piss me off about honey bees when people talk about saving them is the glaring fact that they are not from our ecosystem. Settlers brought them here right before slaughtering countless natives. I think my question is obvious at this point. Why did the early colonizers like almonds so much? 
  •  .We all know that bees die from a number of factors, some human, some not. My next question is about pesticides. In may 2019 as an effort to please hippies, the EPA banned several neonicotinoids that have been proven harmful to bees. It was touted as a big win for both growers and beekeepers alike. In July of 2019 the EPA then canceled their study of decline of bee populations and approved a chemical that is potentially harmful to bees. So it seems the government doesn’t give a shit about bees. Why should I?  
  •  Palette cleanser/segment –  
  • .How do we solve this thing? 

Argument for: 

  • Bees are people too!  
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 
  • Bees are people too! 

Sources: 

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Key groups: 

Key people: 

Key Movies:  

  •  Burts buzz 
  •  Queen of the sun 
  •  The last bee keeper 
  • The modest Bee keeper 

Argument Against 

  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro! 
  • Fuck Bees bro!  

Sources: 

Key people: 

  • Dave Goulson 
  • Paige Embry 
  • Mace Vaughn 
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Key groups: 

Key Movies: 

  • More than Honey  
  •  Vanishing of the bees 
  •  Colony 
  •  Silence of the Bees 

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. Tonight’s winner had this to say. The only thing I’m afraid of is bees. I don’t like bees. I’m allergic to them. Kobe Bryant, ladies and gentleman. If you are for Bees then I suggest you get in touch with Greenpeace or Bee culture magazine to see how you can help out. If you want bees outlawed entirely, then find your nearest beekeeper and show them this podcast.  If you decide to do nothing, then at the very least, keep arguing and talking about it. Because the only way we solve any controversial issue, is to argue about it. 

I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. If you want YOUR voice counted amongst those that argue, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid.arguments on Instagram, or if you think social media is just as evil as people who won’t stop bitching about bees, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is on the website, Validarguments.org. And if you like the show please leave us a rating and review, and tell your friends to argue with us too. and please join us next week for more arguments for you. We hope to disagree with you soon. 

Honey Bees are not native to North America. They were imported by colonists in the 17th century. 

Bees flap their wings over 12000 times a minute

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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us. This is valid arguments. A show about three wise men, running a three-legged race, around a three-ring circus. Today were going to be talking about GMO’s, are they slowly killing us all? we will also discuss Harry Potter, and We will get into the ins and outs of old cartoons.  Joining me today is Mr. Milo Mordhorst on my right. (Milo intro). And Mr. Joel Barkley on my left. (Joel intro). Thank you both, now I want to start by getting your initial takes on GMO’s and which ones you have eaten today. 

Questions I will ask: 

  •  Do you think GMO’s are safe? – Joel (milo counter) 
  •  Recently Monsanto was acquired by the Bayer Group. Do you believe CEO Werner Baumann when he says the company aims to “deepen our dialogue with society in order to find common ground.”? – Milo (Joel counter) 
  • Palette cleanser/segment – Harry Potter – Jerm, Milo, Joel 
  • Do you think GMO’s have caused us to mutate and adapt to the different chemicals that are used on them? – Jerm (Milo counter) 
  •  Do you think the rise in GMO use has contributed to the rise in allergic reactions towards our food? – Joel (Milo counter) 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment- HAMM’s – Joel, jerm, Milo  
  •  Do you think the continuation of GMO farming will increase the quality/taste of the food we eat? – Milo (Joel counter) 
  •  Right now, User agreements with half of today’s leading GMO seed producers prohibit the use of independent research on the final product. Do you think this information should be readily available for such research? Jerm (milo counter) 
  •  Palette cleanser/segment – Which is the villain Wile E. Coyote or The Road Runner  
  • What do you think the future of our agriculture will be? -Milo, Joel, Jerm 

Argument for:

  •  Gmo’s are totally safe. Get a job hippy. 
  •  Of course. This is a second chance at what Monsanto should’ve been. We all know companies always change their ways when given a second chance. 
  • Humans have evolved and adapted to our environment for millions of years. There’s no evidence that genetically modified foods have anything to do with it. 
  •  Of course not, GMO’s are perfectly safe. It’s all those anti vax parents that are doing it. 
  •  Increased taste? Why I think eventually we will be able to make broccoli taste like ice cream. Do you know what you have then? Healthier kids. 
  •  Those User agreements are there for a reason. They protect the royalties of the companies that produce them. Agriculture is a business first.  

Sources: 

  •  National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine has found that new technologies in genetic engineering and conventional breeding have not found any evidence of adverse effects on attributable to consumption of foods derived from GE crops 
  • The Bayer Group – Modern agriculture is about using continuous improvements in agricultural innovations and farming practices in order to help farmers increase efficiency and reduce the amount of natural resources—water, land, and energy—necessary to meet the world’s food, fuel, and fiber needs. 

Key groups: 

  •  The Bayer Group – Sells Pharmeceutical. Recently acquired Monsanto 
  •  March against myths of modification (MAMYTHS) – March Against Myths takes action against junk science injustice 
  •  Monsanto – Monsanto is a global modern agriculture company. They develop products and tools to help farmers around the world grow crops while using energy, water, and land more efficiently. They believe innovation has the potential to bring humanity’s needs in balance with the resources of our planet. 

Key people: 

Key Movies:  

  •  Bill Nye saves the world, GMO episode – Netflix series. 

Argument Against 

  •   GMO’s are completely unsafe. Peace love and no vaccinations. 
  •  Another instance of big corporations getting away with poisoning the nation. The bayer group is just as evil now as Monsanto was. 
  •  GMO’s have been linked to Cancer. I think I need not say more. 
  • Absolutely. And in no way has the rise of anti-vaccination contributed in any way. 
  •  Food tastes fine the way it is. The way nature made it. The way GOD intended it to be. 
  • Those user agreements are only there so we do not know what’s REALLY in our food. Transparency is never a bad thing!  

Sources: 

Key people: 

  •  Jeremy Rifkin – Hates GMO’s. Loves politicians. An insult to the Jeremy’s of the world. 
  •  Ayman Jallad – an important source of funding for some of the loudest critics in Brussels, the publicity-shy Jallad, who is 67, has turned his antipathy toward genetically modified crops, corporate influence and greenhouse-gas emissions into EU policy. 

Key groups: 

  •  The non gmo project – Funded by the Israva foundation Run which is run by Ayman Jallad. They are a group dedicated to labeling (and selling) Non gmo foods. The main difference between their seal and the USDA organic seal is that they test foods at multiple levels of production, whereas the GOVERNMENT REGULATED USDA organic seal is only tested routinely and if they suspect a company of using GMO’s. They gained criticism due to they’re reports not being peer reviewed. The main difference Between them  
  •  The Isvara Foundation – The foundation, established in 2007, is the largest funder of Corporate Europe Observatory, a 20-year- old Brussels-based advocacy group, dedicated to “rolling back corporate power and exposing greenwash. They also awarded grants to the NON-GMO Project and other independent environmental companies. All have something to sell you that will save the planet 

Key Movies: 

  •  Rotten – Netflix series 
  •  Food Inc. – Netflix doc.  

Outro: *summarize Joel and Milo end arguments* I think that both sides have………………Valid Arguments. the winner of tonight’s argument, had this to say on the subject “Monsanto can do anything they want to you, and put anything they want into your foods. There’s nothing you can do about it.”. Jesse Ventura ladies and gentleman. I’d like to thank you all for joining us, and thanks milo and Joel for your thoughts on the subject. We here valid arguments value opinions and think everyone should have one. So if you’re the type of person who knows your voice matters and would like us to help amplify that voice for you, then get at us on social media @argumentsvalid on twitter and valid arguments on Facebook or if you think social media is just as evil as people who put the toilet roll under rather than over, please feel free to call and leave us a voicemail, the number is 309-340-9431. Please join us next week we will have more valid and not so valid arguments for you. Goodnight. 

Optimistic. Nessesity we will die without gmo’s. Too late. Benefits outweigh risks. 

New world order. Biodome like future. Big tits/dicks. Glysophate. Mad mx